Stewart healthy & moving well. Rivera's Party Line a Red Herring.

[Growl]

Boston.com gets it...

Patriots Take 2: Three Cam Newton scrambles that changed the game

http://www.boston.com/sports/blogs/goingdeep/2013/11/patriots_take_2_three_game_cha.html

I still want a copy of this game. I know one of you has it DVR'd somewhere, quit being lazy and spread the wealth with your fellow fandom.

[MV%doe]

Shula needs a healthy stew, in order to keep his job.

[Jeremy Igo]

Green beans, okra, broccoli. These are the gold standard green veggies.

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Does fried okra count

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[lola]

Does fried okra count

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Absolutely! Is there any other kind?

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[Ace_Aladdin]

I like it when people use stats to completely form their opinion.

 

Myself, I prefer to watch the games and take note on how many drives were sustained from Cam's legs when the pocket broke down. Without those plays sustaining those drives, your stats would be meaningless.

 

Cam did help sustain the run the game but this year will be different with return of Stewart and  a better interior OL 

[rodeo]

Put olive oil and rosemary and sea salt on brussels sprouts and roast it at high heat in the oven until the outside caramelizes and is dark brown/black. You'll eat a whole pound of it even if you think you hate brussels sprouts. Delicious.

[panthers55]

I interpret a pot-calling-kettle-black vibe in your response, hypocrisy or something. 

 

Nobody ever said stats aren't important, and perspective within context should be the goal when interpreting stats and data in general.  Empirical evidence is part of the overall equation as well.  When you put all of this together, that's when you make your best and most complete evaluations.

 

Bottom line: Cam runs too much for a different myriad of reasons.  Hopefully the return of Stew and an improved O-line, experience, and a better receiving corps will afford him the freedom to not rely on his legs so much.

Lets make sure we add that many of Cam's runs are his own doing.  If everyone wants him to run less he needs to listen to what he is being told which is to get the ball out quicker and find the checkdown and first guy open instead of holding it.

[panthers55]

Russell Wilson led his team rushing in one game, and he shared that with Marshawn Lynch.

Compare that to Cam who lead the team in 7 games.

Two different offenses and situations. Wilson is not asked to shoulder the load in that offense like Cam.

Wilson absolutely shoulders the load.  But most times it is with his arm not legs.  Many of Cam's big numbers come from scrambles or big plays with his legs.  Wilson makes the same big plays with his arms after eluding pressure.  He doesn't run like Cam does because he is not nearly as big and is prone to injury.  That doesn't mean that he doesn't shoulder the load, he doesn't do it the same way.  He has almost the same rushing yards and the same passing yards so obviously he is just as important.

[TheRed]

Wilson absolutely shoulders the load.

With the #1 defense in the league, along with one of the best running backs in the league? How about no.

[TheRed]

Wilson had five games last year where he had less than 150 yards passing. The Seahawks won four of them, with one of those wins being in the playoffs where he threw for 103 yards with zero touchdowns. Tell me more about Russell Wilson shouldering the load please.

[BigSyke]

specific areas that dwill/Tolbert/stew need to be better at.

 

 

1.redzone/5yards out from goal line.

 

2.3rd downs of 3-5 yard to first down marker.

 

3.better blocking for cam.

 

4.stop fumbling at crucial points of game and on long screens(dwill!!!  lol)

 

5.need better vision and cutting ability.

 

 

 

none of this makes a difference if the online isn't better though.

[panthers55]

I disagree, if it was money on 3rd and 4th down, then it was pretty much all on Cam.  Some of those were broken down pass plays but most were called to his number running a power play or wham plays.  You can add some Tolbert runs in there as well, but he would be the only back that came to mind that did work on 3rd or even 4th downs.  Deangelo had a few big runs sprinkled throughout the year that gave him the majority of his yards.  

 

I think we need to start throwing more on first down early in the year so when we do run on first down, we arent stuck at 2nd and 9 afterwards.

 

Why did DeAngelo not have a ton of first downs?  Because 160 of his 200 runs were on first or second down with more than 6 yards to go.  How many runs did he get on third or fourth down in total?    5 runs with 4 of those being from 3-10 yards to go.

In fact 21 of his runs were for more than 10 yards meaning if he got a first down he did it mostly on first down by himself. Compare that with Tolbert who had 15 runs on 3rd or 4th down with 1 or 2 yards to go.   Or Cam had 20 runs on third or 4th down with 1 or 2 yards to go and another 15 with 5 yards or less.  In fact Cam had 51 runs on third or 4th down so the fact he led in first downs was a function of more easy opportunities from a few yards out.  Does that make him better?  Depends on your definition of better.

 

And no Deangelo did not have a few big runs which gave him most of his yards.  Another incorrect observation.  First of all his longest run of the year was 43 yards, that is it.  Plus his 21 runs of more than 10 yards went for a total of 350 yards.  So the average was 16 yards.  122 of his rushes were on first down and 10 yards to go when teams expected us to run and he averaged 4.6 yards an attempt.  They netted him 545 yards meaning he was a workhorse not just a big play runner.  Which also negates your observation that on first down we were always stuck at 2nd and 9.

 

Amazing how stats can clarify those astute observations.

[panthers55]

Wilson had five games last year where he had less than 150 yards passing. The Seahawks won four of them, with one of those wins being in the playoffs where he threw for 103 yards with zero touchdowns. Tell me more about Russell Wilson shouldering the load please.

I love selective stats to try and make a point. Yes Wilson had 6 games of less than 200 yards.  He also had 10 games of over 200 yards and won 9 of those games.  Compare that with Cam who had 6 games of under 200 yards and again 10 games of over 200 yards. in those 6 games we won 4 of those.  Wilson had 2 games of 300 yards and 2 more over 250.  Compare that to Cam who had 1 game of over 300 yards and 2 more over 250 yards.    Wilson threw for 26 TDs with 1 game of 4 TDs and another 2 games with 3 passing TDs.

Cam threw 24 Tds with none of 4 and 3 games with 3 TDs.

 

So tell me again how Cam was relied on to carry the team and Wilson was not yet in almost every category they were almost equal

 

Amazing how you selective stats can prove anything you want. 

[panthers55]

With the #1 defense in the league, along with one of the best running backs in the league? How about no.

Yeah and we had the 2nd ranked defense and ran almost the same number of yards between Deangelo and the best fullback in the league so how about yes.