Stewart healthy & moving well. Rivera's Party Line a Red Herring.

[Mol3m4n]

Lets be fair here we got the majority of our yards here from Tolbert and Williams who accounted for 1204 yards and had 8 TDs for a cap hit of 7,025,000 which was less than Lynch.

Stewart was injured most of the year and did nothing. And lets see what happens in 2014 before we say that what was a better deal. If Stewart returns to form and the three run for 1800 yards then it colors the picture differently.

If you are going to use all three of our backs when one was hurt and did nothing, then include their full backfield for a fair comparison.

We spent 12.35 million and they spent 9.6 million on their three backs. Now that we are talking apples to apples about productivity versus cost, I have no explanation for Hurney. I got nothing..........

You missed his point. He's trying to state that they're getting more production from one back for way less money than the production we're getting from three.

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[thefuzz]

Lets be fair here we got the majority of our yards here from Tolbert and Williams who accounted for 1204 yards and had 8 TDs for a cap hit of 7,025,000 which was less than Lynch.

 

 Stewart was injured most of the year and did nothing.  And lets see what happens in 2014 before we say that what was a better deal.  If Stewart returns to form and the three run for 1800 yards then it colors the picture differently.

 

If you are going to use all three of our backs when one was hurt and did nothing, then include their full backfield for a fair comparison. 

 

We spent 12.35 million and they spent 9.6 million on their three backs.  Now that we are talking apples to apples about productivity versus cost, I have no explanation for Hurney.  I got nothing..........

 

I looked at it with all runners, the top three, the QB included, and every time we overspent and got less production.

 

Just pointing out what they got, dollar for dollar over what we did, and you have to include Stew, as we all knew about the injury history, and our Redskin Beat Writer signed him to a top 10 contract.

 

As far as the 1800 number, I still think we are getting shafted, on just cap hits alone.

 

Last year looked bad for us vs. them, this year will be even worse.  Almost double the cap on our three vs. theirs.  I still can believe that our 3 are going to count almost 14 million against the cap, and I didn't even include Barner and Gaffney.

 

This is just ugly.

[Peppers90 NC]

I  stand corrected.  If you think that 1600 yards and 1486 are the same then you aren't an amateur you have dyscalculia.  Sorry for criticizing your disability.  But you might want to stay away from stats from now on.

 

Most people on here think our run game was lacking but think Seattle and San Francisco had great ones although we had almost identical numbers.  I can't help that perception was not reality.

 

 

For the record I like brussel sprouts most ways but only Okra fried.  Stewed Okra is slimy.....

who said seattle and sf had great rushing games?  you?  you were the first and really only person to bring those teams up in this conversation.  we are panthers fans, we want our team to do good and dont really care about what other teams do.  but again, in a game of inches, yes 200 yards over 16 games makes a difference.  i think the whole argument was your sarcastic comment when someone said without Cam's runs, our run game was pretty much nonexistent.  i just find it hard to argue that, stats or not.  we only had THREE games last season where our backs combined for over 100 yards in a game.

 

you can slightly saute okra and still be good without dropping them in a bucket of oil.

[panthers55]

You missed his point. He's trying to state that they're getting more production from one back for way less money than the production we're getting from three.

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Read my post again.  Reading comprehension is your friend.  This explains a lot.

[thefuzz]

This thread got me thinking, so I went back and re-read the Stewart Signs thread, all 25 pages of it.

 

Looking back, there 5 people making sense in there.  Me, Kurb, CRA, and Frash Bastard, and to a little lesser extent, Panthro.

 

Stews and DWills contracts are still holding this team back, years later.

 

Congrats to the other 4 that were with me in there.

[iamhubby1]

I remember this time when I was making a point, and these other guys agreed with me. Congrats to me, and to those other guys as well.

It's always nice to get confirmation, even if I have to do it myself.

[panthers55]

who said seattle and sf had great rushing games?  you?  you were the first and really only person to bring those teams up in this conversation.  we are panthers fans, we want our team to do good and dont really care about what other teams do.  but again, in a game of inches, yes 200 yards over 16 games makes a difference.  i think the whole argument was your sarcastic comment when someone said without Cam's runs, our run game was pretty much nonexistent.  i just find it hard to argue that, stats or not.  we only had THREE games last season where our backs combined for over 100 yards in a game.

 

you can slightly saute okra and still be good without dropping them in a bucket of oil.

Obviously you haven't been watching games.  All season long talking heads and announcers talked about both of their running games particularly San Francisco.  And again 200 yards is irrelevant unless it in context of  first downs, for example, which is your game of inches.  However we had 122 rushing first downs and they had 115 and 116 respectively. So much for that argument.

 

And my point was that our running game was as good as one team that won the superbowl and another that beat us in the playoffs..  And those 2 quarterbacks made up almost as much of their production as Cam did yet no one is saying that Kaepernick and Wilson wee the only good parts of their running game. So if ours was non existent then so was theirs.  Outside of the huddle and in places like New Orleans for example they are very aware of how good runners like Deangelo are. 

 

 

[panthers55]

This thread got me thinking, so I went back and re-read the Stewart Signs thread, all 25 pages of it.

 

Looking back, there 5 people making sense in there.  Me, Kurb, CRA, and Frash Bastard, and to a little lesser extent, Panthro.

 

Stews and DWills contracts are still holding this team back, years later.

 

Congrats to the other 4 that were with me in there.

Funny that you have to tout your own horn lest it not be tooted.  Congratulations but even blind pigs sometimes find an acorn or two.  

 

[Peppers90 NC]

Obviously you haven't been watching games. 

congrats grumpy old man for being the only person who understands football in here.  not very good at numbers though, percentages and what not.  i am waving the white flag not because your so-believed points are proven by your tired debates, but out of sheer boredom.

[beastson]

We ran the ball well? What

 

I remember not even able to get 2 yards on the goaline against the 49ers, something if happened, could have sent us the championship game

[nosuchthingasapanther]

of the seahawks, 49ers, and panthers...the panthers are the only team who didn't average 100 yards rushing per game without the help of their qb.

[panthers55]

of the seahawks, 49ers, and panthers...the panthers are the only team who didn't average 100 yards rushing per game without the help of their qb.

That isn't a bad thing or indicative that our offense was mostly Cam given that you would have a hard time keeping him out of the offense in either the run game or the passing game.  He is going to control the game in both the running and passing game since teams key their defense toward Cam.  And he is the biggest back we have by a long shot. It seems that much of  the time on third and short it doesn't matter what might be called in from the sidelines, he is going to try and get the first down diving over the line. He calls his number and gets it done.  But it isn't the fault of the offense since we could have gotten the first down a number of other ways. As I said earlier, on third down he can run or throw which make him a dual weapon and certainly one you want to use.  The problem is that saying he is the only bright spot diminished other players who worked damn hard in 2013 to put up the numbers they did behind a porous line that got little push.  Stewart is a big loss anytime he is not on the field and has been missed. Hopefully he can get the yards between the tackles and after contact given we are not going to have a great line plain and simple.  I am hoping for good and will settle for average. 

 

Tolbert had a pro-bowl year and was a force on third down and fourth down.  People talk about him as if he wasn't good and productive.  And Williams still has plenty of pop left but isn't an inside back.  He needs to be the shifty quick outside back who runs to daylight. After all he averaged the same 4.2 as Lynch and Sproles and slightly ahead of Gore and Eddie Lacey. He isn't the workhorse some of them are but he is still effective when given the ball. We don't have stars outside of Cam on the offense anymore, unless you count Kalil as a star. We have guys who know the system and work together to contribute and do their part to move the ball.  But behind that line it surely had to be harder for Williams than it was for Gore behind his line. Gore often got four or five yards before the first contact  while Williams was juking people in the backfield.

And Cam surely got trucked at times from a blitz defender who our linemen ignores or wiffs on.  Hard to see downfield with people in your face.

Should the run game be better?  Absolutely.....   I hope it will be along with an improved receiver corps that aren't stars but role players all make big contributions and holding on to the ball.  All hungry players eyeing a bigger role on a team with a truly wide open competition.  It needs to bring out the best in all our receivers. And several step up to grab the opportunity. (Almost forgot the filters and instead of grab the opportunity I said sn atch the opportunity.)  

[jackson113]

It is easier to find a decent RB than a franchise QB. It' s like hauling garbage in a Porsche when you have three trucks.

[thefuzz]

Funny that you have to tout your own horn lest it not be tooted.  Congratulations but even blind pigs sometimes find an acorn or two.  

 

 

It's not funny, nor did it need tooting.

 

I'm just laughing at all of the "football knowledge" in that thread, especially looking back now.

 

The somewhat smart of us knew it was bad then, and we know it is bad now.