How do some teams exploit the cap?/

[Jmac]

J.Jones has a point.....how the hell do the Niner's and Saints sign these mega deals when by all accounts they are exceeding the cap limits....We can't pull a rabbit out the hat like that. I wish I knew more about the cap situations then I do.Just seems like some teams play loaded dice with the cap numbers.

[Peppers90 NC]

I guess Jones doesnt remember a few years back when he was signing everyone willy nilly, which ultimately put them where they are now.  Saints and Niners will be struggling in T-minus two years from now like we have been the past two.

[Jmac]

I meant J.Jones from the observer...not the bubble brain in Dallas.Jones in Dallas couldn't run a flea circus and thinks he is a GM.....not.

[Beast_3000]

I guess Jones doesnt remember a few years back when he was signing everyone willy nilly, which ultimately put them where they are now. Saints and Niners will be struggling in T-minus two years from now like we have been the past two.

Yep. I think the key is signing a few players to contracts that we can cut without large repercussions.

D Will and Stewart's contracts are examples of what NOT to do. While Desean Jackson contract with Philly was a good example of what to do.

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[frash.exe]

You can get away with it for a surprising amount of years before it reaches a threshold at which point no amount of cutting will get you back to a healthy cap number

[Jangler]

win now attitude screws you over in the future. What we are going through now ( didn't really work for us either) Hopefully when DG has money to play with he stays in a budget and has a consistent team for years rather than a win now worry later team.

[MV%doe]

They will pay in the future, BIG. Teams that only have a short window to"win it all", so risk the furture for the now. Look at how long it took the panthers, to get a true stud at QB.

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[MV%doe]

Yep. I think the key is signing a few players to contracts that we can cut without large repercussions.

D Will and Stewart's contracts are examples of what NOT to do. While Desean Jackson contract with Philly was a good example of what to do.

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[thefuzz]

Different teams spend depending on "windows".

 

The Broncos, Saints, Patriots, as well as the Chargers, Steelers, and Giants are probably in a position to spend as much as they need to in order to get a couple more shots at a ring before they blow it up.

 

We just happened to have a general manager in Carolina who didn't know that football is played with the forward pass as much as it is the run.

[Growl]

Well ran teams never "pay" for not heeding the almighty cap like fans on this website insist we do.

The cap excuse around here was a justification for why this team never participates in free agency, in spite of it having a damaging affect over the years. (Waiting on guys like Brandon Hogan to be somebody instead of adding real talent)

Just because you sign someone to a big contract now doesnt mean you have to reap the "punishment" of it in the future. Successful teams can focus on both present and future when dealing with the cap. Good teams tend to stay near the purported "fringe" where as teams like Cleveland perpetually have lots of "precious" space but are an annual dumpster fire.

Provided someone competent is managing the finances in San Fran, this will never hurt them provided Kaepernick doesnt explode and become worthless. (totally possible btw)

You would think fans here would eventually catch on to the cap excuse as what it is-an almost farce that teams use as a negotiating tactic- provided that stuff like this happens every offseason.

Alas, however, Panther fans will clamor "them Niners sure are gonna get da repurcussions of this in 10 years!!" while we spend next offseason signing Jimmy Doodlybob to start at OT for us because Jerry doesnt wanna dish out dollars to those villianous players in the free agent pool of evil and pestilence.

[Growl]

I will say though that that era may be approaching an end as Jerry is becoming less involved as the years pass and our GM does seem to indeed believe in having those mythical beasts known as "good players" on our roster.

[UpstatePanther]

the teams of the NFL are making the same type of mistakes Americans made that led to the 08 collapse. just like the country... teams will soon learn the same lessons America learned. Lucky for the Panthers and we the Panthers' fanbase, our team has already made the mistake. While the Saints, Cowboys, and Niners fall into their 4+ years of obscurity, the Panthers will continue to build a perennial winner with young, cheap talent and strong, competitive veterans, all while maintaining a favorable cap situation. 

 

patience my friends. the Age of the Panther is dawning.

[TheRumGone]

Well ran teams never "pay" for not heeding the almighty cap like fans on this website insist we do.

The cap excuse around here was a justification for why this team never participates in free agency, in spite of it having a damaging affect over the years. (Waiting on guys like Brandon Hogan to be somebody instead of adding real talent)

Just because you sign someone to a big contract now doesnt mean you have to reap the "punishment" of it in the future. Successful teams can focus on both present and future when dealing with the cap. Good teams tend to stay near the purported "fringe" where as teams like Cleveland perpetually have lots of "precious" space but are an annual dumpster fire.

Provided someone competent is managing the finances in San Fran, this will never hurt them provided Kaepernick doesnt explode and become worthless. (totally possible btw)

You would think fans here would eventually catch on to the cap excuse as what it is-an almost farce that teams use as a negotiating tactic- provided that stuff like this happens every offseason.

Alas, however, Panther fans will clamor "them Niners sure are gonna get da repurcussions of this in 10 years!!" while we spend next offseason signing Jimmy Doodlybob to start at OT for us because Jerry doesnt wanna dish out dollars to those villianous players in the free agent pool of evil and pestilence.

There is only so much cap to go around. The way you structure contracts you have to take a large hit at some point, talent gets old, players get injured, ect. Unknowns happen all of the time.

The best plan is to be as sound as possible so that it gives you wiggle room to work.

I'm not exactly positive about what you mean by this could you maybe give some examples?

[Frizzy350]

Well ran teams never "pay" for not heeding the almighty cap like fans on this website insist we do.

The cap excuse around here was a justification for why this team never participates in free agency, in spite of it having a damaging affect over the years. (Waiting on guys like Brandon Hogan to be somebody instead of adding real talent)

Just because you sign someone to a big contract now doesnt mean you have to reap the "punishment" of it in the future. Successful teams can focus on both present and future when dealing with the cap. Good teams tend to stay near the purported "fringe" where as teams like Cleveland perpetually have lots of "precious" space but are an annual dumpster fire.

Provided someone competent is managing the finances in San Fran, this will never hurt them provided Kaepernick doesnt explode and become worthless. (totally possible btw)

You would think fans here would eventually catch on to the cap excuse as what it is-an almost farce that teams use as a negotiating tactic- provided that stuff like this happens every offseason.

Alas, however, Panther fans will clamor "them Niners sure are gonna get da repurcussions of this in 10 years!!" while we spend next offseason signing Jimmy Doodlybob to start at OT for us because Jerry doesnt wanna dish out dollars to those villianous players in the free agent pool of evil and pestilence.

 

Yes and no.

 

It really all comes down to value and the specific structuring of the contracts.  For instance, if JStu and Williams were each still hitting 1k rushing yards a year I don't think we'd be throwing a fit (or at least as much) about their contracts.  Granted the majority of their ineffectiveness is due to injuries and poor line play.  If Williams and Stu were tearing it up on the ground we'd have a nice pair of runners to take pressure off Cam and wouldn't feel as great of a need for receivers.

 

What has really crippled us in particular with the Hurney contracts isn't so much the money itself as it is the inability to gain leverage over players.  Way too much guaranteed money on the back end gives you no other choice than to just let the player stay on the team and eat at the cap.  Football is such a volatile and dynamic sport that it is pretty darn difficult to predict a player's place on your team in 3+ years.  The rules, way the game is played and level of competition change rapidly and injuries happen.

 

I don't know why your bringing Mr Richardson's "cheapness" into this considering we are pretty darn close to the cap limit every year. The salary cap actually does exist in the NFL, it is enforced, and we aren't the only team who can't sign a player due to cap constraints or has to let players walk due to said constraints.

 

History generally supports the notion that signing superstar free agents to superstar contracts usually leads to a let down and will limit your ability to have a deep roster.  Dynasties and consistent winners tend to not go crazy in free agency and build through the draft.  I'd like the Panthers to be a dynasty, therefore I believe we should aim for value and depth in free agency.