Our D: Let's Be Honest

[Delhommey]

How about the old Buddy Ryan 4-6 defence?

Realistically I starting too think about this maybe by having a deep rotation at DT we can make up for the loss. Just keep rotating fresh player in and out. Keeping the other teams online having too deal with fresh and different player every 2-3 snaps. That may cause alot of disruption for other teams offences. We might have to have 5-6 Dt on the game day roster though.

There is noooooo way I'm trusting Marshall on an island with only Godfrey there if things go wrong.

[thefuzz]

There is noooooo way I'm trusting Marshall on an island with only Godfrey there if things go wrong.

Did you quote the wrong post?

Thats the point I was trying to make, totally.

Marshall with Godfrey and or Harris behind him is pretty scary IMO.

[CRA]

Did you quote the wrong post?

Thats the point I was trying to make, totally.

Marshall with Godfrey and or Harris behind him is pretty scary IMO.

Marshall/Godfrey combo on that side could be worse than what Lucas/Godfrey did last season.....

I don't think Carolina has ever entered a season under Fox where I have been so worried about the defense.

[panthers55]

Don't assume it will all be cover 2. Meeks has run alot of cover 1 robber over the years on first and second down. The free safety plays deep, the corners and linebackers are actually in man under and the robber (harris) plays medium depth looking to take away the curls and under routes as well as stop the draws, quarterback scrambles and screens. Most cover 2 teams run cover 2 zone about half the time. if you don't mix things up, you are easy to exploit like we were last year.

[panthers55]

Marshall/Godfrey combo on that side could be worse than what Lucas/Godfrey did last season.....

I don't think Carolina has ever entered a season under Fox where I have been so worried about the defense.

How much worst do you think we could get than the last half of 2008. We gave up over 30 points a game. Meeks is consistently in the top 10 defenses. He is good at adjusting and using his personnel to their best use. I am actually more excited about our defense than I have been since 2006.

[thefuzz]

I still don't know about how well Meek's D was in Indy.

Lets remember that many, many times the opposing team was playing from behind, and thus was not able to run very much.

[Carolina Husker]

I don't want to think about it.

[panthers55]

I still don't know about how well Meek's D was in Indy.

Lets remember that many, many times the opposing team was playing from behind, and thus was not able to run very much.

Look it up. It was helped by Manning's offense and not being on the field all day, but as good as the Colts passed is as good as we run. If we can force teams to throw the ball to catch up, we will have them where we want them. Meeks had most of the money on offense and did pretty well with small undersized no name guys.

Our defense is more talented across the board than what he had in Indy so it stands to reason that we will do better than Indy did. He has a history of getting the most out of his players. His only knock is whether he can his players to play together as a team. That remains to be seen.

[CRA]

How much worst do you think we could get than the last half of 2008. We gave up over 30 points a game. Meeks is consistently in the top 10 defenses. He is good at adjusting and using his personnel to their best use. I am actually more excited about our defense than I have been since 2006.

Again, Trgo had good defenses when he had strong DLs in Carolina. Meeks had very good talent on the DL in Indy which allowed him to be able to run what he did in Indy. Carolina simply doesn't have a great DL anymore.....adding Meeks doesn't change that fact. Meeks, Trgo, etc. imo won't find success under John Fox w/o very good talent on the DL.......

Marshall, Godfrey, and Harris.....either aren't very strong or are unproven in coverage.......a bad pass rush just makes the potential for a repeat of last year high.....regardless of the DC imo. People want to act like Gamble is a shutdown corner after 1 season of not getting abused on the deep ball........no point testing Gamble last season when there were so many others areas to attack.

I don't see how we can be confident w/ this defense until they actually GIVE us a reason to have confidence in them.

[Hairless Cat]

I honestly think that last years poor 2nd half of the season d, had a lot to do with turdo and not our players. Hopefully that alone will shave a few points off the oppositions side of the scoreboard

[Brandon]

Again, Trgo had good defenses when he had strong DLs in Carolina. Meeks had very good talent on the DL in Indy which allowed him to be able to run what he did in Indy. Carolina simply doesn't have a great DL anymore.....adding Meeks doesn't change that fact. Meeks, Trgo, etc. imo won't find success under John Fox w/o very good talent on the DL.......

I HATE misinformation like this. Meeks had an average defensive line at best, and that was with two of the better DE's in the league. They have never had good defensive tackles, and their LB corps was terribad. We still have a good defensive line without Kemo, our total package of defensive ends are better, and very important for a Tampa 2, we have a much much much better LB corps.

But then again this is just going to be John Fox's standard defense imposed on yet another coordinator amirite? (Just in case you're wondering, I'm mocking you on this last point not agreeing with you)

[panthers55]

Again, Trgo had good defenses when he had strong DLs in Carolina. Meeks had very good talent on the DL in Indy which allowed him to be able to run what he did in Indy. Carolina simply doesn't have a great DL anymore.....adding Meeks doesn't change that fact. Meeks, Trgo, etc. imo won't find success under John Fox w/o very good talent on the DL.......

Marshall, Godfrey, and Harris.....either aren't very strong or are unproven in coverage.......a bad pass rush just makes the potential for a repeat of last year high.....regardless of the DC imo. People want to act like Gamble is a shutdown corner after 1 season of not getting abused on the deep ball........no point testing Gamble last season when there were so many others areas to attack.

I don't see how we can be confident w/ this defense until they actually GIVE us a reason to have confidence in them.

Meeks didn't have great talent on the D line. He took guys other teams thought were too small to play DE or DT for example and make them great players by tailoring the defense to their skill set. Trgo had a scheme that he tried to fit everyone into. When the talent wasn't there we suffered. Not so with meeks.

Marshall and Godfrey are talented players that need the discipline and experience in order to shine. Meeks is a defensive secondary guru. If anyone can teach them, he can. Harris is built for this defense. See discussion on cover 1 robber.

Last year we started strong and got worse. This year will be the opposite. We will start off slow and improve. But hopefully we will be playing our best ball when it counts the most in December and January.

[pantherj]

The weakness of our defense last season was a lack of penatration and push into the pocket from our DT's Kemo and Lewis. Kemo I can forgive, but Lewis was a failure at rushing and pressuring the passer. Lewis had the advantage of playing with Peppers, but he totally laid an egg, while Peppers put on a freakish pass rush. I think part of the reason Pepp wanted out was due to Lewis. Think of how many more sacs Pepp could have had if Lewis had kept opposing QBs from stepping up into the pocket to aviod him. If only Jenkins had stayed. Lewis is at his best warming the pine.

[MadHatter]

The weakness of our defense last season was a lack of penatration and push into the pocket from our DT's Kemo and Lewis. Kemo I can forgive, but Lewis was a failure at rushing and pressuring the passer. Lewis had the advantage of playing with Peppers, but he totally laid an egg, while Peppers put on a freakish pass rush. I think part of the reason Pepp wanted out was due to Lewis. Think of how many more sacs Pepp could have had if Lewis had kept opposing QBs from stepping up into the pocket to aviod him. If only Jenkins had stayed. Lewis is at his best warming the pine.

Ha..ha..ha.....oh, wait...were you actually serious about that post.

No one would argue that Lewis is not a stud DT. But to say he should be benched for any of the other DT's on our roster is not even laughable....it sad.