Josh Gordon may just be stupid

[TheRed]

Sorry, I'm not buying that.

 

I think that they just want to do what they want to do, future be damned.

 

Maybe, maybe not. Ultimately it's hard for anyone here to say without spending a little time with them or having a personal conversation with them. I'm not attempting to absolve them of any blame for their actions, but simply pointing out their current circumstances as a whole.

 

Plenty of players in the NFL have been given numerous chances, if you want a recent example, look at Kenny Britt.

[Mr. Scot]

Sorry, I'm not buying that.

 

I think that they just want to do what they want to do, future be damned.

 

To get to the point those guys are in the substance abuse policy, you've gotta be either too addicted to leave it, too stupid to get it, too arrogant to care or some combination of the three.

 

No matter what the root of it all is, the end result is guys who are more dedicated to a drug than they are to their sport, their teammates, their families, even their own future.

 

You wanna make them an important part of your offense?  Okay.  Say they come in and light it up (so to speak).  Your offense is moving and shaking, you make the playoffs, and life is good.

 

Then suddenly one day while you're game planning you get a call from the league telling you you're gonna have to go into the playoffs minus one of the big cogs in your attack because they blew it...again.

 

Now you've gotta make major adjustments, and all because you chose to depend on someone who had already shown multiple times they were not dependable.

 

Bad news all around.

[TheRed]

It seems that if it were up to some people, any individuals with substance abuse problems would immediately be cast out from society and sent to live on a remote island by themselves since they are obviously beyond help and unworthy of any opportunities to better themselves.

[sharkkiller]

It seems that if it were up to some people, any individuals with substance abuse problems would immediately be cast out from society and sent to live on a remote island by themselves since they are obviously beyond help and unworthy of any opportunities to better themselves.

 

 

That is not at all what anyone is saying. 

 

Listen carefully:

 

If you stand to make millions of dollars playing a game, and they require you to not smoke pot......then the SMART thing to do is not smoke pot.  

 

If you choose to smoke, or in this case (as it has not been proven that he was smoking pot) hang out with someone who still smokes pot, and brings it with them to hang out with you, then you are as was stated above either addicted, stupid, or extremely selfish. 

 

And if pot is not addictive, and you can quit whenever you want, then why are you lumping them in with other people with "substance abuse problems". You can't claim that pot is different and not addictive, and you can quit when you want, and then defend someone who doesn't quit because they have a "problem". Pick a stance and stay with it.

[Jacob]

What happens if someone who plays for the Broncos or the Seahawks (places where weed is legal) fails a test for marijuana? Do they still get in trouble even though it's legal in their state?

 

Obviously.

[TheRed]

That is not at all what anyone is saying. 

 

Listen carefully:

 

If you stand to make millions of dollars playing a game, and they require you to not smoke pot......then the SMART thing to do is not smoke pot.  

 

If you choose to smoke, or in this case (as it has not been proven that he was smoking pot) hang out with someone who still smokes pot, and brings it with them to hang out with you, then you are as was stated above either addicted, stupid, or extremely selfish. 

 

And if pot is not addictive, and you can quit whenever you want, then why are you lumping them in with other people with "substance abuse problems". You can't claim that pot is different and not addictive, and you can quit when you want, and then defend someone who doesn't quit because they have a "problem". Pick a stance and stay with it.

 

Compared to the kinds of things that different NFL players get in trouble for, honestly marijuana is the least of my worries.

 

He's not Aaron Hernandez or something. He smokes pot, big damn deal.

 

[Mr. Scot]

It seems that if it were up to some people, any individuals with substance abuse problems would immediately be cast out from society and sent to live on a remote island by themselves since they are obviously beyond help and unworthy of any opportunities to better themselves.

 

Not being willing to spend millions of dollars on someone with a history of risky behavior equals "casting them out of society"?

 

Wow :lol:

 

It's a business.  A business where if you're not one of the three best people available at your position you can be out of a job...  A business where people get discarded for being injured even after they've given you years of their blood, sweat and tears... A business where you have one goal, to win it all, and sometimes that means dumping on good guys who are giving their all to support their families...

 

And in that context, you think not wanting to risk millions of dollars on a guy with a history of letting his team down apparently makes you a mean, hard-hearted person.

 

Gimme a break :rolleyes:

[thefuzz]

Compared to the kinds of things that different NFL players get in trouble for, honestly marijuana is the least of my worries.

 

He's not Aaron Hernandez or something. He smokes pot, big damn deal.

 

 

There is no comparison to be made here.

 

He knew, without a doubt, that he was going to have to take a piss test within 5-7 days of his choice to light up.

 

He knew, without a doubt, that if he was busted for pot again, (or any drug) that he would have to sit out a year, and lose his salary.

 

He chose to light up anyway.

 

Now that may be an addiction, but how many times has he checked himself into Betty Ford?  Has he been steadfast in working with the league to try to cut that "addiction" out of his life?

 

I'm just going to go out on a limb and say, probably not.

 

I feel bad for him, I like watching him play, but he is an idiot.  Maybe he is an addicted idiot, but something in me says it's arrogance and stupidity.

[sharkkiller]

Compared to the kinds of things that different NFL players get in trouble for, honestly marijuana is the least of my worries.

 

He's not Aaron Hernandez or something. He smokes pot, big damn deal.

 

 

It is not for us to decide if it is a big deal or not. That was decided during the negotiations of the bargaining agreement, which the players agreed to. It says you can't smoke pot and play in the NFL. So that makes it a big deal. This is not now, nor was it ever about whether smoking pot is a "big deal" in and of itself. I don't dive a damn if he smokes pot, but if you are going to be banned from the NFL for doing it, and you keep doing it, then you are an idiot. 

[TheRed]

Not being willing to spend millions of dollars on someone with a history of risky behavior equals "casting them out of society"?

 

Wow :lol:

 

It's a business.  A business where if you're not one of the three best people available at your position you can be out of a job...  A business where people get discarded for being injured even after they've given you years of their blood, sweat and tears... A business where you have one goal, to win it all, and sometimes that means dumping on good guys who are giving their all to support their families...

 

And in that context, you think not wanting to risk millions of dollars on a guy with a history of letting his team down apparently makes you a mean, hard-hearted person.

 

Gimme a break :rolleyes:

 

Well it sure didn't take long for the condescending smileys to make an appearance.

 

Fortunately there are a lot of people in the NFL who do not share your "one mistake and you are beyond help forever" mentality.

[TheRed]

There is no comparison to be made here.

 

He knew, without a doubt, that he was going to have to take a piss test within 5-7 days of his choice to light up.

 

He knew, without a doubt, that if he was busted for pot again, (or any drug) that he would have to sit out a year, and lose his salary.

 

He chose to light up anyway.

 

Now that may be an addiction, but how many times has he checked himself into Betty Ford?  Has he been steadfast in working with the league to try to cut that "addiction" out of his life?

 

I'm just going to go out on a limb and say, probably not.

 

I feel bad for him, I like watching him play, but he is an idiot.  Maybe he is an addicted idiot, but something in me says it's arrogance and stupidity.

 

It is not for us to decide if it is a big deal or not. That was decided during the negotiations of the bargaining agreement, which the players agreed to. It says you can't smoke pot and play in the NFL. So that makes it a big deal. This is not now, nor was it ever about whether smoking pot is a "big deal" in and of itself. I don't dive a damn if he smokes pot, but if you are going to be banned from the NFL for doing it, and you keep doing it, then you are an idiot. 

 

Suspending him or anyone else the entire season for smoking marijuana is too extreme.

 

If it is a players second or third offense, get them in a treatment program, extra free time is the last thing they need.

[sharkkiller]

Well it sure didn't take long for the condescending smileys to make an appearance.

 

Fortunately there are a lot of people in the NFL who do not share your "one mistake and you are beyond help forever" mentality.

 

 

One mistake? 

 

1st failed test - no penalty but you are entered in the program

Stage 1 - 2nd failed test = fine

Stage 2 - 3nd failed test = 4 game suspension

Stage 3 - 4th and 5th failed test = 1 year suspension (you have to fail two tests while in stage 2 to move to stage 3)

 

 

So you are looking at a minimum of 4but more likely 5 failed drug tests, and this to you is one mistake? And now he has put himself in this situation, where he is speeding while in a car with someone who is carrying pot?

 

How can you not look at this and see that he is stupid?

[thefuzz]

Suspending him or anyone else the entire season for smoking marijuana is too extreme.

 

If it is a players second or third offense, get them in a treatment program, extra free time is the last thing they need.

 

That's like saying that my employer firing me for getting hurt while drinking or on drugs is too extreme.

 

Even though the handbook I signed when I took the job says that's what's going to happen, no excuses.

 

I hear you, I don't like the punishment, but Josh knew it, inside and out, and still made the choice.

 

That said, he was in a treatment program, paid for by the NFL, and chose not to adhere to it.

[sharkkiller]

Suspending him or anyone else the entire season for smoking marijuana is too extreme.

 

If it is a players second or third offense, get them in a treatment program, extra free time is the last thing they need.

 

 

Again you are missing the point. While I may agree that it is extreme, and it may very well change in the future, it is the current policy that is in place. You have to abide by it.

 

 

If you get arrested in NC for selling, or possessing marijuana, try going in front of a judge and say, "Marijuana isn't bad for you, so it should not be illegal. You shouldn't punish me for pot. It's jusst  pot after all." Let me know how that works out for you.