Free Agency Targets: Gordon Heyward

[ThinkAboutIt]

Better fit?

GH is a better passer, shooter, bball IQ, and has a better midrange game.

Not even mentioning any locker room issues.

He is simply the better / superior player.

You guys talk about every team like they're the same. For how the Hornets play and want to play, a physical guard like Stephenson who can score in a variety of ways and defend multiple positions is a much better fit than an out of position SF who, despite getting back to back blocks once in his career, is a weak defender and inconsistent offensively, which is the only reason you're bringing him in because it isn't for his defense.

I repeat. I don't give a crap about the "locker room issues" because I don't expect it to be any more of an issue than it was with Stephen Jackson, who many judgmental Charlotteans were also initially leery of. Whatever.

So why are you fine with overpaying Hayward?

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[ThinkAboutIt]

He's played the two guard position every year that he's been with the Jazz.

I know what he played in Utah. I'm not interested in becoming Utah. He should be playing SF. That is his natural position and he'd be better in it.

Like. I've. Said. You can play someone anywhere, like Utah did. Doesn't mean that's where they should be playing.

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[MedellinHeel]

Lol

 

Outside of height / size the wing positions are interchangeable. Hayward size makes him a mismatch at the SG postion. 

 

Lance doesnt even average 1 block or steal a game and he is some great defender? 

 

 

 

[ThinkAboutIt]

Lol

Outside of height / size the wing positions are interchangeable. Hayward size makes him a mismatch at the SG postion.

Lance doesnt even average 1 block or steal a game and he is some great defender?

What part of you can play someone anywhere does "interchangeable" supersede?

Defense isn't all about blocks and steals. Stats should be shoved down people's pieholes. Fans obsess over stats, which is why you all always get it wrong. I blame ESPN, which is also always wrong.

That's why those draftexpress guys are better. Focus on the things the guys actually do, not just what the numbers make it look like they do. A player can average a lot of points and get most of them when it no longer matters in a game, but some stupid fan will gush over his PPG.

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[MedellinHeel]

What part of you can play someone anywhere does "interchangeable" supersede?

Defense isn't all about blocks and steals. Stats should be shoved down people's pieholes. Fans obsess over stats, which is why you all always get it wrong. I blame ESPN, which is also always wrong.

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I get it right my man. Lillard and the Greek Freak as my latest proclamations. 

 

Stats are part of the equation. 

 

Who said you can play someone anywhere? You can not play Kemba at C. 

 

What exactly can Lance do as a SG that GH cant? 

[ThinkAboutIt]

I get it right my man. Lillard and the Greek Freak as my latest proclamations.

Stats are part of the equation.

Who said you can play someone anywhere? You can not play Kemba at C.

What exactly can Lance do as a SG that GH cant?

Of course you can play Kemba at C. You will fail, just like you will if you plan on Hayward being your answer at SG, but I bet you Hairston would do a better job at C than Kemba would, just like Stephenson would be better at SG for Charlotte than Hayward would be.

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[wingswithsting]

Stats are definitely part of the equation. Kinda like those horrid shooting numbers Hayward put up this year. You know, the ones where he was worse than even Hendo. If you think looking at stats and saying Lance is not a better defender than Hayward because he didn't have the steals and blocked shots to prove it, then you cannot claim Hayward to be a better shooter than Lance or Hendo, because stats show otherwise.

[TANTRIC-NINJA]

Heyward has shot at an elite level in the NBA as well..understanding this past season of his low 3pt percentage..but he has two seasons of 42%+ 3pt fg which is elite.

Heyward would be a great ball movement guy, who can score and destroy guys on the pick and roll with Al Jefferson and Noah/Zellar.

To me GH is better than Klay Thompson who many here want to have teabag them. He is a better guy off the dribble..he makes quicker decisions and has a better feel for the game than Klay. Klay has him beat on catch and shoot 3's..but Heyward has shown that he can very easily shoot as well. Klay also love to dribble the clock out and is awful on dribble drives that are not layups.

Lance is also better than Klay..if Lance or Heyward is signed it would be a huge win for this team bc the 2nd option need to be a wing guy. Right now the second option is Al Jefferson..and he is the first option..Kemba flinging an off balance-challanged three at the end of shot clocks is not a great second option.

In regards to the poor shooter guy think Heyward is..do not forget Utah was an awful team with what was considered a poor coach. At the end of shotclock who else in that offense could get a shot off?

[wingswithsting]

"what can Lance do as a SG that GH can't"

Lance shot 50% and 35% from 3

GH shot 40% and 30% from 3

Scoring efficiently is very important

GH can maybe guard the SF spot, but is not a good defender at any other position

Lance can guard the SG, SF, and PG position

Versatility on defense is important, especially with our head coach

GH can play SF, and maybe SG

Lance can play SG, SF, and even PG at times

Versatility again is huge, because Lance would allow Kemba to play off the ball at times

GH according to Utah fans doesn't to want to step up in key situations

Lance we know is not scared to step up and take that shot or whatever it may be, Lance has that confidence in himself

Lance has the personality concerns, but I think he will be fine. He is only 23 and has people to look up to here. Detroit's bad boys worked out well. Rodman played in Chicago with Jordan and did well. Boardman brought the attitude to Miami and did well. McRoberts showed some nastiness in the playoffs, and we needed that. Perkins brings it to the Thunder. It is good to have a little of that on the team, just gotta make sure it doesn't get out of control

[Omega Atrocity]

The 2 and the 3 are almost identical positions.

[TheMaulClaw]

Sometimes you gotta take chances. 

 

If you / FO think Hayward can average 18-20/5/5 while shooting good %'s than you sign him. 

 

We could save our money and wait for a player that will never come. 

 

We do not have that luxury imo. 

We actually do have that luxury and at some point in the near future that player will come...whether this year or next.

[TheMaulClaw]

Lol

 

Outside of height / size the wing positions are interchangeable. Hayward size makes him a mismatch at the SG postion. 

 

Lance doesnt even average 1 block or steal a game and he is some great defender? 

There aren't a lot of major/kept stats that give insight into what a play can do defensively.  You have to watch them play defense.   

 

Block and steal averages don't tell the whole story.  Also there's no way you can judge help side defense with those stats.  A better way to tell his team defense. Utah was 30th in defensive efficiency last year.  That means a lot of communication issues, missed assignments, and just getting beat.  Gordon being one of the best players on a bad team is a big part of that.

 

 

Hayward imo is a good player, but he doesn't scare anyone. Even though he has good "measurables" he looks like he'd still get pushed around.   

 

You might get past the first round.....but I want more then that.

[ThinkAboutIt]

Better fit? 

 

GH is a better passer, shooter, bball IQ, and has a better midrange game. 

 

Not even mentioning any locker room issues. 

 

He is simply the better / superior player. 

 

Your opinion. Even if that was true, he still doesn't deserve a max contract. Does Henderson deserve a max deal for being better than Bismack? "Better" is relative, so what's your point? You lack one.