Manziel Not Impressing

[CarolinaCoolin]

Deflections on deflections on deflections.

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[Mr. Scot]

Deflections on deflections on deflections.

 

Irony upon irony :lol:

 

[CarolinaCoolin]

Irony upon irony :lol:

Really? How am I deflecting? This has always been about you and your bias towards a kid. Trying to call me a teenager and making this about why I'm making a big deal about this(which I'm not) is pure deflection and you have yet to add anything worth value to the argument. I'm not sure you really understand half the things you say.

Which is surprising because all you've been saying is

"Ha still clueless I see"

"Still don't get it"

Yet not explain what "it" is at all. Don't bother mentioning me again.

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[Mr. Scot]

Don't bother mentioning me again.

 

Well, that part will be easy :lol:

 

[davos]

Another way to put it:

 

Some QBs seem like they can grasp and really wrap themselves around the game...

 

It's one of those obvious things you see translated in how they look on the field and it looks like the game is wrapping this Manziel fellow instead.    

 

 

[cbarrier90]

Mr. Scot, your valiant efforts are to be commended, but there's no way of getting through to Coolin'. I gave up.

[JPPT1974]

Me thinks Johnny Football or Johnny Punk as I love to call him, will be a flop. Not just on the field but off it. Guy is so full of himself!

[Mr. Scot]

Mr. Scot, your valiant efforts are to be commended, but there's no way of getting through to Coolin'. I gave up.

 

Had some time to kill :lol:

 

Manziel strikes me as what you'd get if you put Ryan Leaf's brain in Chad Pennington's body.

 

Yeah, it's possible he could succeed in the NFL.  Heck, it's possible the Raiders could win back to back Super Bowls in the next two years :blink:

 

I just have trouble seeing it :unsure:

[Boltergeist]

Hoyer got the nod, JFF will start on the sideline

[cbarrier90]

Mike Pettine really needs to let go of his confirmation bias. It's obvious this guy just does not like and appreciate Manziel the way he should. There's absolutely no way a guy they said from the get-go would be the starter could actually be named the starter.

[Porn Shop Clerk]

lol johnny clipboard

[PhillyB]

This is all about confirmation bias. If you like Johnny this doesn't bother you. If you didn't like him to begin with you are going to jump all over him for this and anything else that he does.

We love when guys show emotion except for when it's someone or some emotion we don't like. Give this guy a break. If you don't like him don't watch him.

 

i guess i'm jumping in on this late, but the reason your argument is flawed is because what's right and proper is defined by what everyone else does in a specific context, not the abstract nature of the thing. in other words, yes, flipping the middle finger is NBD in a vacuum. it's just a gesture. but normality and acceptability of an action is defined by what other people do, and in the NFL you won't see anybody flicking off the opposing team's bench, at least not in the flagrant manner manziel did. because of this greater context, manziel's behavior was deviant, and he got nailed for it, just like other players do when performing deviant actions on the field.

 

i can personally attest that arguing with mr scot is one of the most infuriating things anyone can possibly do, but i think he's right on this one.

[CarolinaCoolin]

i guess i'm jumping in on this late, but the reason your argument is flawed is because what's right and proper is defined by what everyone else does in a specific context, not the abstract nature of the thing. in other words, yes, flipping the middle finger is NBD in a vacuum. it's just a gesture. but normality and acceptability of an action is defined by what other people do, and in the NFL you won't see anybody flicking off the opposing team's bench, at least not in the flagrant manner manziel did. because of this greater context, manziel's behavior was deviant, and he got nailed for it, just like other players do when performing deviant actions on the field.

i can personally attest that arguing with mr scot is one of the most infuriating things anyone can possibly do, but i think he's right on this one.

Philly I appreciate your post but you are crazy if you don't think players aren't flipping eachother off during games they just don't get caught. Manziel doesn't have that luxury because of who he is. The cameras will always be on him.

Manziels behavior isn't anything out of the norm. You have players trash talking eachother and saying worse than what manziel did but we never hear any of that.

People who didn't like manziel before this were going to jump on him for it. If their favorite player does it they are going to justify it.

I'm simply calling out scots clear confirmation bias that he tries to wish away but it's pretty clear that it is there.

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[shreddingdefense]

Philly I appreciate your post but you are crazy if you don't think players aren't flipping eachother off during games they just don't get caught. Manziel doesn't have that luxury because of who he is. The cameras will always be on him.

Manziels behavior isn't anything out of the norm. You have players trash talking eachother and saying worse than what manziel did but we never hear any of that.

People who didn't like manziel before this were going to jump on him for it. If their favorite player does it they are going to justify it.

I'm simply calling out scots clear confirmation bias that he tries to wish away but it's pretty clear that it is there.

Its ludicrous to think that other players are flipping each other off. If they do they are going to get caught regardless if they are a 5th string cb or a starting "face of the franchise" qb. Sure it may not be noticed during a game, but lots of people find things and you bet your butt that if the nfl sees it in a youtube vidoe or espn highlite real someone is going to get fined or even supspended. Boneheaded actions like those show that the player in question lets their feelings get the better of them and may in truth show a "me first" persona.  The main reason you wont find many players doing the middle finger/taunting/or headbuts like norman is because of 15 yard penalties; which by the way can change the outcome of the game. In that regard mr scot is right.  The geasture by him is immature.