Does talent trump trouble?

[greghardy'sAK-47]

in the misdemeanor world talent trumps every time.  hell, even felonies can be overlooked.  bout the only thing that might trump talent is locker room cancer.  

[PandaPancake]

Not sure what you mean by draconian.  Can you explain?

 

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[PantherFanOne]

Let's put this current unfortunate issue aside and address Gregs potential going forward. There's simply no way of knowing how Hardy will respond when/if he has a long-term contract in hand and gets more attention from offensive coordinators. That's not saying he'll flame out, but he has an established history of struggling when on the field and Charles Johnson is off it.

[BigSyke]

ask Lawrence taylor.....

[Mr. Scot]

Speaking in general...

Teams will put up with a certain level of 'stupid' depending on how much value you have. Muhsin Muhammad and Lawrence Wilson both got caught with weed. Wilson was dismissed immediately while Muhammad stayed around for years. Talent will buy you some leeway in those situations.

To a point...

When 'stupid' escalates to 'problem', like when you start doing things that will get you suspended, the team becomes less likely to be lenient. At least in part because they realize you're probably not just 'young stupid'. You're a genuine idiot.

When stupid escalates to dangerous, like when 'drunk at a party' becomes 'drunk behind the wheel of a car', then the team really begins to question whether you're worth the trouble. Especially true if someone gets hurt as a result of your irresponsibility.

When 'stupid' becomes 'violent' though, that's when the problems really begin.

Obviously, if you're found guilty of a major crime like rape, kidnapping, murder, etc. then you're going to prison and you're not the team's problem anymore. But even for lesser, but still violent, crimes there are major consequences.

If you deliberately do something that harms another human being, I don't really care how talented you are. You deserve whatever punishment the law has for you and I don't want you on my team. There's a pretty good chance you'll wind up unemployed or relocated, and rightly so.

Bottom Line: There are things in this world more important than winning football games.

[Mr. Scot]

Regarding Greg Hardy in particular...

I'd say at the very least we're to the point of 'stupid' becoming problematic. His chances of a long term, big money deal have probably dwindled down to nada (or pretty close to it).

Further than that? Depends on how the investigation of this incident pans out. Have said elsewhere - and still say - that if he's guilty of even a portion of the things he's accused of, I'm okay with him being sent packing.

If he's not, then I have no issue with the team sticking with him but big / guaranteed money is out of the question. He'll need a contract that's incentive based and has plenty of 'behavior' clauses.

And truth be told, even if he's fully innocent, he's still going to have it pretty rough. The stigma of 'domestic abuser' doesn't go away easily. People would start looking at that alter ego of his and wonder if it hides something darker.

Guilty or not, his life will never be the same.

[panthers123]

As long as that trouble can be controlled or mitigated. 

 

Dez Byrant had alot of problems such as the club lifestyle, hanging with the wrong people, beating his mom, etc but the cowboys were able to control it for the most part and he is now a productive part of the team without any major problems in the past yr or 2. 

 

Guys like Josh Gordon/Justin Blackmon where you get suspended for a season for doing stupid poo probably isn't worth it. 

[greghardy'sAK-47]

only way i see this hurting hardy is if he comes out and has a middle of the road season.  that's when teams will start dragging up the charge.  if he balls out again, then these things tend to disappear on their own.  if panthers try to go holier than thou route, then they might just wind up playing against him while rosenhaus get's him uber-paid anyway.  

[Jackofalltrades]

If a judge sentences you to AA 3 times per week, it's more than "he was hanging out with friends and is fine".

Not really. In most cases where alcohol is involved in any capacity the judge will order something like this. I've seen it too many time. It's for CYA and a lot of time attorneys will volunteer their clients for it to show willingness to act and to show compliance.

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[greghardy'sAK-47]

Not really. In most cases where alcohol is involved in any capacity the judge will order something like this. I've seen it too many time. It's for CYA and a lot of time attorneys will volunteer their clients for it to show willingness to act and to show compliance.

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not to mention the drug and alcohol classes they force as well.  they are pretty much how can we get more money out of them classes.