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PFF's Top 101 of 2013 (So far)

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This might be one of the worst thing PFF does all year. That's why I(and most ppl) use them for their data and not their opinions.

 

PFF are useless. They grade every play but in a meaningless fashion. The 2 point system they use can mean that Cam evading 4 rushers to sprint 80 yards for a TD will be considered just as impressive as Peyton Manning throwing a 2 yard pass into the end zone, depending on the person that happens to be scoring the games. They are heavily biased towards certain player groups such as pass rushers.

 

The whole system is built to award players that have 4 good games rather than 16 good ones. The more games you the play the more negative grades you will recieve (eventually). Also they assume they know what everybody's assignment is. For example the Gronk TD (I think it was Gronkowski) over Luke last year they downgraded Luke for even though it's quite possible he done as he was asked but didn't get the Safety help over the top that he should have. How do you grade that fairly when you don't know what the original call was?

 

The final thing that pisses me off more than anything is that they are heavily biased towards certain players. Evan Mathis, JJ Watt and Darelle Revis can do no wrong. Admittedly Watt and Revis are brilliant players but I've seen other websites state Mathis is good but not great (I've even heard Philly fans say this) yet PFF insist that Mathis is pretty much the greatest OLmen to ever play the game. It's no coincidence that Mathis was one of the first NFL players to endorse PFF.

 

I hate PFF.

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PFF are useless. They grade every play but in a meaningless fashion. The 2 point system they use can mean that Cam evading 4 rushers to sprint 80 yards for a TD will be considered just as impressive as Peyton Manning throwing a 2 yard pass into the end zone, depending on the person that happens to be scoring the games. They are heavily biased towards certain player groups such as pass rushers.

The whole system is built to award players that have 4 good games rather than 16 good ones. The more games you the play the more negative grades you will recieve (eventually). Also they assume they know what everybody's assignment is. For example the Gronk TD (I think it was Gronkowski) over Luke last year they downgraded Luke for even though it's quite possible he done as he was asked but didn't get the Safety help over the top that he should have. How do you grade that fairly when you don't know what the original call was?

The final thing that pisses me off more than anything is that they are heavily biased towards certain players. Evan Mathis, JJ Watt and Darelle Revis can do no wrong. Admittedly Watt and Revis are brilliant players but I've seen other websites state Mathis is good but not great (I've even heard Philly fans say this) yet PFF insist that Mathis is pretty much the greatest OLmen to ever play the game. It's no coincidence that Mathis was one of the first NFL players to endorse PFF.

I hate PFF.

Lol tell us how you really feel.

Comcidering NFL personnel actually use PFF, I really don't see how its useless.

And LOL at saying it's biased towards certain players, w/o anything to back it up.

Also there is more to PFF than just grades...

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Lol tell us how you really feel.

Comcidering NFL personnel actually use PFF, I really don't see how its useless.

And LOL at saying it's biased towards certain players, w/o anything to back it up.

Also there is more to PFF than just grades...

 

NFL personnel use PFF because they use every resource available - and they are good at tracking stats, just not at grading players.

 

I should have elaborated. The opinions of the guys that run the site are useless, there stat tracking is pretty useful - especially as a point of comparison with Football Outsiders.

 

I have no evidence that they are biased for and against some players other than I have watched guys like Luke destroy the competition and get torn to pieces by PFF, then guys like Lavonte David do a smiler thing and get praised as the second coming of Derrick Brooks. Rarely do I agree with there rankings, if ever.

 

PFF try to hard to play devils advocate when the obvious is right in front of them. Luke isn't overrated, neither is Cam, they are both just that good.

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NFL personnel use PFF because they use every resource available - and they are good at tracking stats, just not at grading players.

 

I should have elaborated. The opinions of the guys that run the site are useless, there stat tracking is pretty useful - especially as a point of comparison with Football Outsiders.

 

I have no evidence that they are biased for and against some players other than I have watched guys like Luke destroy the competition and get torn to pieces by PFF, then guys like Lavonte David do a smiler thing and get praised as the second coming of Derrick Brooks. Rarely do I agree with there rankings, if ever.

 

PFF try to hard to play devils advocate when the obvious is right in front of them. Luke isn't overrated, neither is Cam, they are both just that good.

 

 

That was my point really. Their data is the best thing they do. Their opinions are just that... opinions.

 

Their data that show Luke's faults are not bias or hate(I also subscribe to NFL Rewind and have seen his coverage issues myself). They do undervalue his leadership of the D, which isn't a factor in their grading but you see whne you watch any game. Nothing is perfect.

 

They clearly have favorite players and they don't even try to hide it. They LOVE to highlight players who are under the radar and as you said play devil's advocate. David, Mathis, etc etc.

 

I much rather use PFF for their data than DVOA which is way more subjective.

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not sure why anybody thinks PFF hates Luke or TD. They ranked them each #2 at their position (4-3 OLB and 4-3 MLB), giving us the #1 4-3 LB core in the nation.

posted the LB rankings earlier. Here is how they ranked the best at the rest of the positions:

QB

1. Peyton Manning (2013 Pro Bowl, 2013 All-Pro)

2. Philip Rivers (2013 Pro Bowl)

3. Russell Wilson (2013 Pro Bowl)

4. Drew Brees (2013 Pro Bowl)

5. Tom Brady (2013 Pro Bowl)

RB

1. LeSean McCoy (2013 Pro Bowl, 2013 All-Pro)

2. Marshawn Lynch (2013 Pro Bowl)

3. Jamaal Charles (2013 Pro Bowl, 2013 All-Pro)

4. Adrian Peterson (2013 Pro Bowl, 2013 2ndT All-Pro)

5. Eddie Lacy (2013 Pro Bowl, 2013 2ndT All-Pro)

6. DeMarco Murray (2013 Pro Bowl)

WR

1. Brandon Marshall (2013 Pro Bowl)

2. Antonio Brown (2013 Pro Bowl, 2013 2ndT All-Pro)

3. Calvin Johnson (2013 Pro Bowl, 2013 All-Pro)

4. Jordy Nelson

5. Anquan Boldin

6. Andre Johnson (2013 Pro Bowl)

7. Demaryius Thomas (2013 Pro Bowl, 2013 2ndT All-Pro)

8. Keenan Allen

9. Alshon Jeffery (2013 Pro Bowl)

10. Josh Gordon (2013 Pro Bowl, 2013 All-Pro)

11. DeSean Jackson (2013 Pro Bowl)

12. T.Y. Hilton

13. A.J. Green (2013 Pro Bowl, 2013 2ndT All-Pro)

14. Marques Colston

TE

1. Jimmy Graham (2013 Pro Bowl, 2013 All-Pro)

OG

1. Evan Mathis (2013 Pro Bowl, 2013 All-Pro)

2. Josh Sitton, Packers (2013 2nd Team All-Pro)

3. Louis Vasquez, Broncos (2013 Pro Bowl, 2013 All-Pro)

4. Larry Warford, Lions

LT

1. Joe Thomas, Browns (2013 Pro Bowl, 2013 All-Pro)

2. Trent Williams, Redskins (2013 Pro Bowl)

3. Jason Peters, Eagles (2013 Pro Bowl, 2013 All-Pro)

4. Jordan Gross (2013 Pro Bowl)

5. Tyron Smith, Cowboys (2013 Pro Bowl, 2013 All-Pro)

6. Joe Staley, 49ers (2013 Pro Bowl, 2013 All-Pro)

7. Nate Solder, Patriots

8. Jake Long, Rams

OT/OG/UTL

1. Andrew Whitworth

RT

1. Phil Loadholt, Vikings

C

1. Jason Kelce, Eagles

2. Alex Mack, Browns (2013 Pro Bowl, 2013 All-Pro)

3. John Sullivan, Vikings

3-4 DE

1. J.J. Watt (2013 Pro Bowl, 2013 All-Pro)

2. Calais Campbell, Cards (9 sacks, 6 PD, 58 tackles)

3. Kyle Williams, Bills (2013 Pro Bowl, 2013 All-Pro)

4. Cameron Jordan, Saints (2013 Pro Bowl)

5. Sheldon Richardson, Jets

4-3 DE

1. Robert Quinn (2013 Pro Bowl, 2013 All-Pro)

2. Michael Bennett, Seahawks

3. Greg Hardy (2013 Pro Bowl, 2013 2ndT All-Pro)

4. Cameron Wake, Dolphins (2013 Pro Bowl)

5. Michael Johnson, Bengals (now Bucs)

6. Cliff Avril, Seahawks

DT

1. Gerald McCoy (2013 Pro Bowl, 2013 All-Pro)

2. Ndamukong Suh (2013 Pro Bowl, 2013 All-Pro)

3. Jurrell Casey, Titans (2013 2nd Team All-Pro)

4. Marcell Dareus, Bills (2013 Pro Bowl)

5. Dontari Poe, Chiefs (2013 Pro Bowl, 2013 2ndT All-Pro)

6. Terrance Knighton, Broncos

7. Randy Starks, Dolphins

8. Brandon Mebane, Seattle Seahawks

9. Jason Hatcher, Cowboys (2013 Pro Bowl)

10. Damon Harrison, New York Jets

CB

1. Richard Sherman (2013 Pro Bowl, 2013 All-Pro)

2. Darrelle Revis (2013 Pro Bowl)

3. Brent Grimes (2013 Pro Bowl)

4. Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, Broncos

5. Keenan Lewis, Saints

6. Patrick Peterson (2013 Pro Bowl, 2013 All-Pro)

7. Chris Harris Jr, Broncos

8. Joe Haden, Browns (2013 Pro Bowl, 2013 All-Pro)

9. Desmond Trufant, Falcons

10. Alterraun Verner, Titans (2013 Pro Bowl, 2013 2ndT All-Pro)

S

1. Earl Thomas (2013 Pro Bowl, 2013 All-Pro)

2. Devin McCourty (2013 2ndT All-Pro)

3. Kam Chancellor (2013 Pro Bowl, 2013 2ndT All-Pro)

4. Eric Berry (2013 Pro Bowl, 2013 All-Pro)

5. Donte Whitner (2013 Pro Bowl)

6. Tyrann Mathieu

7. Will Hill, Giants

8. Troy Polamalu (2013 Pro Bowl)

9. Eric Weddle, Chargers (2013 Pro Bowl, 2013 2ndT All-Pro)

10. T.J. Ward (2013 Pro Bowl, 2013 2ndT All-Pro)

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Here is how they ranked the best at the rest of the positions:

QB

1. Peyton Manning (2013 Pro Bowl, 2013 All-Pro)

2. Philip Rivers (2013 Pro Bowl)

3. Russell Wilson (2013 Pro Bowl)

4. Drew Brees (2013 Pro Bowl)

5. Tom Brady (2013 Pro Bowl)

LMAO...

Wilson- 63% Cmp, 3,896 Yd, 27 TD, 14 turnovers

Brady- 61% Cmp, 4,361 Yd, 25 TD, 14 turnovers

Newton- 62% Cmp, 3,964 Yd, 30 TD, 14 turnovers

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Yeah, just because Keek isn't ranked in the top 10 doesn't mean they hate him. He's a MLB in a 4-3.

 

Now, a guy like Lavonte David, a talent in his own right is built to succeed as the OLB in the Tampa two. Expect to see him rated very highly by PFF.

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