Eli Manning gets PAID

[natty]

You can't judge how overrated a player is by how much money they make. He recently won a superbowl and was the MVP - that's an agents dream. With player contracts it's all about timing and Eli's timing was perfect.

Whether he's worth the money is irrelevant. The Giants needed to keep him so they paid him what the market determined he's worth.

[Fireball77]

Hey anyone think the timing of this is interesting? Big bro has the same agent and should also be looking for a new deal soon. I would think Condon would have rather gone Eli first then Peyton with the deals.

[Brandon]

Extreamly Well? Collins had 1 solid year helped them to a SB, after that the Giants Did Nothing, untill Eli started taking snaps

The rest of what you said is strictly opinion.

I'm not going to take anything away fom the guy because he is surrounded with other quality players. Takes more then just a Oline and D to have sustained success at QB. Grossman had a top 5 o-line and a great defense backing him up and hes out of the league.

Hes the Franchise QB of a Successful NY Football team 2yrs removed from a SB victory what are they suppose to do pay him less then Matt Stafford. :shocked:[

NFL salaries especially that of the QB are exploding Eli's probably will not be at the top very long

Yeah the Giants did NOTHING in 2002... Oh and the Giants never had an amazing running game to support him either. He is a decent QB at best, who happened to be in the right place at the right time. Eli Manning did not win his team the Superbowl single handedly, and it was his DEFENSE that won that game.

Not to mention that Eli has put up rather mediocre numbers for being surrounded by tons of talent, compared to other QB's who get much less respect while putting up better numbers over the last 5 years despite having as good or better numbers.

Grossman didn't have a top 5 offensive line with the Bears... Plus that's a bit of a straw man isn't it? We know for a fact that Grossman was lucky to even be in the NFL let alone a starting QB based on how terrible he is now. Eli is much better than him but that really isn't saying much though.

Now I do want to go on record and say even though I don't like how much he's being paid for how good he is, the fact that he was on a SB winning team does mean he'll command more money and I don't really have a problem with the Giants being willing to pay him that much. Just look for any place in my post where I said he shouldn't get paid.

apparently you haven't met Brandon. Any musing about QB Eli Manning strictly criticizes him based on his passer rating and conveniently ignoring the fact that every single year since his rookie season he has helped lead the Giants to a playoff berth, in the toughest division in the league, helped them to a SB run, can spread the ball around better than most QBs, posted his best passer rating this past year while throwing to guys who are wide open and try to catch the ball with their chest, without Burress for a big part of the year, and boasts an at least solid collection of 4th quarter comebacks already and he is just starting to hit his prime now.

I've watched all but 3 Giants games from last year, how about you? In fact I've seen more than my fair share of them over the last 10 years, so please keep that in mind as to why I'm making the evaluation I have.

Okay so if QB rating isn't allowed to rate a quarterback, how exactly do I say that without it being pure speculation (according to Purity Control) or it being baseless statistics (according to you). It's apparent that anyone's judgement which conflicts with yours automatically has to be wrong, god forbid that anyone criticize another team's quarterback...

Oh and thank you for bringing up that passer rating comment about how last year was his best, but just take a look at what his rating was in December, the time period in which Burress was absent... *cough* 69.8 *cough*

Also, if Eli was such a reason for their great success in their championship year, how is it when he is supposedly even better his team does worse in the playoffs?

[Purity-Control]

Yeah the Giants did NOTHING in 2002... Oh and the Giants never had an amazing running game to support him either. He is a decent QB at best, who happened to be in the right place at the right time. Eli Manning did not win his team the Superbowl single handedly, and it was his DEFENSE that won that game.

Yeah 2 winning seasons out of 5 with Collins :eek:

No rushing game to support. Tiki barber went over 1k yards 3 out 4 of those years.

apparently you haven't met Brandon. Any musing about QB Eli Manning strictly criticizes him based on his passer rating and conveniently ignoring the fact that every single year since his rookie season he has helped lead the Giants to a playoff berth

Yeah he is delusional, I'm done with this thread

[frash.exe]

I've watched all but 3 Giants games from last year, how about you? In fact I've seen more than my fair share of them over the last 10 years, so please keep that in mind as to why I'm making the evaluation I have.

And you would know that Eli has given them much more stability at the QB position than they used to, that he can spread the ball around, that he found open receivers, and all the while, has weathered all the crap the NY media can throw at him without having a breakdown.

Okay so if QB rating isn't allowed to rate a quarterback, how exactly do I say that without it being pure speculation (according to Purity Control) or it being baseless statistics (according to you). It's apparent that anyone's judgement which conflicts with yours automatically has to be wrong, god forbid that anyone criticize another team's quarterback...

You're wrong because you give Eli little or no credit for the Giants' accomplishments the past 4 years. Name one other team in the NFC that has gone to the playoffs the past 4 years in a row. Or is it the top-rated running game plus the defense, which btw, was ranked in the mid 20s in total yards two of those years that carried Manning?

Oh and thank you for bringing up that passer rating comment about how last year was his best, but just take a look at what his rating was in December, the time period in which Burress was absent... *cough* 69.8 *cough*

lol this is such a convenient misconception all you need to do is read here and admit you're wrong, explain to me then why is Eli's QB rating better without Burress when you look at the big picture? Or will you then transform your argument that "HE FADED DOWN THE STRETCH OMG!"?

[kdrh5]

Eli Manning just followed football version of the Pimp Manual to the letter. Haters just need to cut it out.

[Brandon]

And you would know that Eli has given them much more stability at the QB position than they used to, that he can spread the ball around, that he found open receivers, and all the while, has weathered all the crap the NY media can throw at him without having a breakdown.

I'm not saying he hasn't given them stability, or that the Giants should replace them. Just that he's not the great quarterback a lot of people make him out to be. I respect him for being able to handle the tough NY media but he has a long way to go before he should even be considered a top 10 QB in the league. Winning a SB is a good accomplishment, but those are team efforts and there are many good players who deserve one who never get it.

You're wrong because you give Eli little or no credit for the Giants' accomplishments the past 4 years. Name one other team in the NFC that has gone to the playoffs the past 4 years in a row. Or is it the top-rated running game plus the defense, which btw, was ranked in the mid 20s in total yards two of those years that carried Manning?

Yes because Manning's 4 years of sub 80 quarterback rating and huge fumble totals really helped out. Seriously last year was the only year that he made progress as a QB and if he continues to make that progress I'll give him credit then, but until that point I'm not going to praise an average quarterback for being more than he is.

Also that mid 20's total yardage defense also was mid teens in points scored which means the offense wasn't supporting the defense enough. Even basic students of football know this.

lol this is such a convenient misconception all you need to do is read here and admit you're wrong, explain to me then why is Eli's QB rating better without Burress when you look at the big picture? Or will you then transform your argument that "HE FADED DOWN THE STRETCH OMG!"?

Fine, you explain his 69.8 quarterback rating then. There were only two real differences between that month and earlier in the year so if you want to go there we can.

Someone please tell me how he's considered such a good quarterback, and do it without saying the word superbowl or championship.

[frash.exe]

I'm not saying he hasn't given them stability, or that the Giants should replace them. Just that he's not the great quarterback a lot of people make him out to be. I respect him for being able to handle the tough NY media but he has a long way to go before he should even be considered a top 10 QB in the league. Winning a SB is a good accomplishment, but those are team efforts and there are many good players who deserve one who never get it.

Yes because Manning's 4 years of sub 80 quarterback rating and huge fumble totals really helped out. Seriously last year was the only year that he made progress as a QB and if he continues to make that progress I'll give him credit then, but until that point I'm not going to praise an average quarterback for being more than he is.

Also that mid 20's total yardage defense also was mid teens in points scored which means the offense wasn't supporting the defense enough. Even basic students of football know this.

Fine, you explain his 69.8 quarterback rating then. There were only two real differences between that month and earlier in the year so if you want to go there we can.

OMG, really? you're nitpicking his fumbling as a reason he's a liability? Jesus, I guess they should just bench Brady and Warner because they've been known to choke up the rock just as frequently. And that the offense didn't support the defense enough? Yea, an offense that ranked 3rd in scoring in 2005, and 11th in 2006, both well above average, didn't give enough help to the defense. Give it a rest. We did a thread where I ranked Eli as 9th or something like that, which I wouldn't consider great, only above average. Top 5 is great IMO. And just because he is getting paid top money doesn't mean people think he's "great".

He's the Giants QB. They've given him plenty of opportunities and he's reciprocated. He's a hard worker, he doesn't make excuses. Jerry Reese is very grateful for his contribution to one of the premier teams in the NFC. When you're thinking about why the Giants extended him for so much money, you mistake his contribution and his work ethic for how efficient he is statistically, and that's what makes you lose credibility. Teams will always pay out the ass for players they appreciate and they value, and it doesn't start and end with what they do during the games it is what you see besides that which also matters. But you get hung up on his stats which is really superficial, and I only use them as just one out of many metrics.

Same case with Big Ben. The Steelers valued him so much to extend him for 8 years and 102 million last year, which also puts him among the top paid players in the league, and he has more guaranteed money in his extension than Eli does.

Someone please tell me how he's considered such a good quarterback, and do it without saying the word superbowl or championship.

lol I just did on the post you quoted, I didn't mention SB 42 at all.

obviously there is no point to further this discussion because you clearly don't understand, or maybe you're closed-minded, or maybe it's a combination of both.

[PanthersFanNY]

I just wanted to bump this real quick to say this: Sorry. I was wrong.

The more I watch Eli the more I realize he is a complete and talented quarterback. He can hit throws and he does a great job at using audibles to get out of trouble.

So to Purity-Control, Mr. Scot, and anyone else who I disagreed with on this: My bad, you were right.

[thefuzz]

Eli is playing his best football this year. While I am not sure if I agree with the whole thing about getting Barber, Shockey, and Burress out would be good for him, he is playing better with less talent.

I would like to see him finish this year playing this well, and some of next year before I say that he is going from OK to good.

He ranks somewhere around the 8-12 slot on my rankings right now, possibly higher if I start breaking them down right now.

[Fireball77]

He is playing really well this year, agreed.

I am impressed with how his accuracy seemed to have improved.

[thefuzz]

He is playing really well this year, agreed.

I am impressed with how his accuracy seemed to have improved.

Pretty wild IMO.

He seemingly has been wildly inaccurate with the ball for the past 4 years, but this year seems right on the money.

Could be the pressure is off, knowing they have a great D to back him up..don't know, but he looks much better.

[Fireball77]

Well he's usually had a good team around him, so not sure. My take is that he probably was putting in extra work with the receivers since the corps is so inexperienced. He's always been a smart kid and worked hard, IMO.

[thefuzz]

Probably right. Had WR's that were willing to stay behind and go to work.

He seems to have been a pretty good game manager in the past, but is now starting to be able to win some games, good for him.