There's no way we're carrying 5 RB's on the 53

[JerrichoScores]

There will probably be a cut of one of big money guys.  It's time.

[CRA]

again you guys are talking cap. im talking his current salary.

cap is due to the signing bonus, that the great marty hernia gave him. yes thats high, but it would have been higher if williams didnt take a pay cut. he reduce his base for 5 million to 1.8.

hes getting 1.8, thats his pay. hes not overpaid.

He is overpaid.

They work on contracts. Nitpicking out a random salary for one given year.....doesn't make him not overpaid.

Cap matters. Them playing with money to get that 1.8 figure is just that. Playing....playing with numbers bc he is overpaid.

They played with numbers.

[MV%doe]

hes overcapped, not overpaid. if williams signed a new deal 2 years at 3,600,000, you'd still call that overpaid? a simple yes/no. 

 

cutting or trading, will still result in dead money. 9.6mill this year and 6mill next. might as well ride it given his low base. 

[csx]

again you guys are talking cap. im talking his current salary.

cap is due to the signing bonus, that the great marty hernia gave him. yes thats high, but it would have been higher if williams didnt take a pay cut. he reduce his base for 5 million to 1.8.

hes getting 1.8, thats his pay. hes not overpaid.

It doesnt sound like you comprehend how that math works.

[CRA]

hes overcapped, not overpaid. if williams signed a new deal 2 years at 3,600,000, you'd still call that overpaid? a simple yes/no.

cutting or trading, will still result in dead money. 9.6mill this year and 6mill next. might as well ride it given his low base.

No. A fresh deal like that he wouldn't be overpaid. There is no fresh new deal here however....it is a mess. Cherry picking one number that is purely created for a yearly cap scenario isn't a reflection of what you state it is.....

We have runners with our without Williams. If we can use the 2 mill created in cap space to improve the OL significantly at one spot which lead to a better OL (run and pass).....that makes us a better team IMO. We have plenty of runners. Everyone healthy, Williams is the 4 best overall rush threat.

[MV%doe]

Thank you. 

 

there is a mess attached to the 1.8, another term is needed rather than "overpaid". 

 

 

lets say panthers have offered williams a 2 year 3.6mill deal, IF he doesnt sign the panthers are charged 9.6 million in cap money(or 4.8 this yr and next). IF he does sign the deal, panthers have to carry 6mill in cap money this year and next. thats simply the deal. 

 

the 2 million you are reffering to is his current base, thats what is saved. dead money doesnt go away, so cut/trade that 9,6 is still charged to the cap. if june cut, its spilt in two years, its still 9.6 charged but over two years rather than one. so you save 2 mill, but you have to replace him with another contract player. lets just go with the min of 650,000

 

 

650,000(new replacement contract) + 4,800,000(june cut dead money) - 2,000,000(saving form base salary) = - 3,450,000 in cap money.

[CRA]

Thank you.

there is a mess attached to the 1.8, another term is needed rather than "overpaid".

lets say panthers have offered williams a 2 year 3.6mill deal, IF he doesnt sign the panthers are charged 9.6 million in cap money(or 4.8 this yr and next). IF he does sign the deal, panthers have to carry 6mill in cap money this year and next. thats simply the deal.

the 2 million you are reffering to is his current base, thats what is saved. dead money doesnt go away, so cut/trade that 9,6 is still charged to the cap. if june cut, its spilt in two years, its still 9.6 charged but over two years rather than one. so you save 2 mill, but you have to replace him with another contract player. lets just go with the min of 650,000

650,000(new replacement contract) + 4,800,000(june cut dead money) - 2,000,000(saving form base salary) = - 3,450,000 in cap money.

He holds the 8th highest cap figure bc he is overpaid....

He currently has a base salary if 1.8 this one year bc he is so overpaid they played with his contract to survive it.

I am strictly talking cap room. Cut him June 1....you create dead money but the positive is you create 2 mill in cap room. Now with that room you can lose your 4th best rush option and use the space to help add a starting lineman to improve your O. Rush won't take a backseat losing Williams most likely....likely improves with better OL play. All about fielding the best team vs best looking depth chart

For example, Carolina has 15 mil in cap room. Cut Williams as June 1 you have 17 mil in space.....yes you eat money but space is also created to help make a move at a more important and team impactful spot......once that could make the stable of rushers even better and offense as a whole. Cost is merely eating some money and parting with your 4th best rusher.

[MV%doe]

dead money is cap money.

 

the june cut saves 2 million, but adds around 5 mill to 2015. plus given the last two years are dummy years that have dead cap money of 2+ mill in 2016 and 1+mill in 2017 no matter what happens. its a unusual contract with the void years at the end, thus you get one year of +2, then three straight years of minus/negative money. 

 

its pro/con deal thats somewhat even on both sides. if you cut him, -/+8mill is spread out starting 2015-2017 in lost cap space. plus you have to replace him with a player who needs a contract, but at a position of need. OR keep him this year and cut him afterwards(less dead money) OR keep him two years. panthers need all the space with incoming cam/luke/star/kk deals. but biting the bullet now, could have benefits too. i see both sides.

 

 

[CRA]

dead money is cap money.

the june cut saves 2 million, but adds around 5 mill to 2015. plus given the last two years are dummy years that have dead cap money of 2+ mill in 2016 and 1+mill in 2017 no matter what happens. its a unusual contract with the void years at the end, thus you get one year of +2, then three straight years of minus/negative money.

its pro/con deal thats somewhat even on both sides. if you cut him, -/+8mill is spread out starting 2015-2017 in lost cap space. plus you have to replace him with a player who needs a contract, but at a position of need. OR keep him this year and cut him afterwards(less dead money) OR keep him two years. panthers need all the space with incoming cam/luke/star/kk deals. but biting the bullet now, could have benefits too. i see both sides.

Yes dead money counts against the cap.

But if Williams is cut it still creates cap room.

What is more important....keeping your 4th best rush threat or adding a starting vet rental on the OL (one that improves the ability of your top 3 rushers and pass attack).

The cap room created can be used to make us better despite having dead money along with it. Having all these RBs on the roster is essentially dead money to begin with....they can't be used anyway to justify the cap hits they are taking on the roster

[MV%doe]

do the panthers need the 5mill in cap space for 2015?

 

 if the panthers had not drafted either barner or gaffeny would you still want him cut?

 

 

4th best is a hard sell, it been sooo long since stew has shown his skills. cam(could he hold uP?) as a pure RB would be interesting, rather than being a scramble yard getter. toblert is a great all around 3rd down back(long, catching, short yard etc). but theres a case for williams being 4th.

 

i personally think stew is the best(i have since 2009) and would improve mike shulas' credit vastly.

 

 

i see your point of using the 2mill on a position of need.