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The value of a top GM......this man knows his football

Jmac

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rayzor Grand Master

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You would have reached for a need if you were GM Rayzor. Inside the war room there is this thing called the horizontal board where every player has a grade that they have assigned prior to the draft. Kony Ealy was rated higher than Morgan Moses and Billy Turner. Gettleman had a first round grade on Kony Ealy. If Morgan Moses or Billy Turner had a higher grade, Gettleman would have selected the one that did. They didn't. You would have reached for a need and that gets you in trouble. Believe it or not, Byron Bell was a better option at left tackle than Morgan Moses

long term i'm not buying that at all and short term its still a push. and again, i also don't think the disparity in talent, esp. when weighed against the benefit of having upgraded the OL and made the team better balanced. you want asking for trouble? you let bell protect the blindside and continue on thinking that the answer is on the roster when considering OT.
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i'm fine with benjamin in the first.

in the second i absolutely would have gone for moses or turner over ealy.

i know that ealy is talented and apparently a good guy and givs us options in dealing with overpriced DEs that we already have, but we have way too many expensive resources allocated to DEs already while OT is in desperate need of attention.

and the whole discussion, as i have said several times, is pretty silky because there isn't this huge disparity in talent between ealy and the choices we had for OT. they could have come in and started and been an upgrade over what we have and the offense made better as well as the team overall.

drafting an OT at that point would have made a bigger impact than a backup DE would have.

BPA is fine to a point. going for value is fine to a point.

but if my family needs real meat and i go to the grocery store and spend my limited funds by more potatoes instead of meat because there was a big sale on them, i haven't done my family any favors in hoping that the cans of vienna sausages in the pantry will be good enough.

point is we had the best DL in the league and arguably the worst OT situation in the league and we made one stronger and ignored the other when we were entirely capable of making sure that both were in good shape.

I used almost the same potato analogy when we drafted Luke. Turns out I was wrong. If you believe in BPA, you've got to stick with it.

Ealy had a first round grade by our staff. They couldn't pass up that value.

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Panthro Collaborator

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needs to quit trying to make this the carolina giants and be the carolina panthers..............and get some fuggin help for the offesne beside late round rbs and 2nd dl........

Because we are NOT trying to win Super Bowls?

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i hope so, but i think our non-effort to upgrade OT is going to bite us in the ass.  the choices we have in house are sketchy at best. it was the biggest need we had heading into the offseason and made worse when gross retired and we've done nothing to fix it. 

 

i think the receivers will be better just because they won't drop as many passes and i think the addition to the offensive staff from the chargers (i forgot his name) will help the offense be more aggressive than it was with just shula who i still believe is holding the offense back. 

 

the outside of that OL, tho....it's near embarrassing.

Perspective. I see Chandler as an athletic lineman. I heard he got stronger over the offseason, which does seem silly as the offseason is only a couple of months old. Point being, if he has the ability to play Tackle, we should be ok. You don't need 5 pro bowlers on the line to be successful. Just 5 guys that know what they are doing, and have the ability to get it done.

IMO, Amini, Kalil, Turner, and Chandler make 4/5 of a damm good line. Which is more than most teams have.

The Front Office believe in Bell. So much so that they did not draft a Tackle. If that comes back to bite us. You can bring it up and say so. If we do well with Bell, I can say so too.

I want someone better than Bell for sure. But at this point in time, that ain't happening. I just don't think we are in trouble just because of Bell. He is not the worst Tackle in the league. Pretty close, maybe, but I have watched him for two years. He was my adopted Panther two years ago. He is not as bad as folks make him out to be.

That said. I would have taken a Tackle over Ealy too.

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Sometimes trading is a good thing. He needs to start thinking about trading down sometimes or atleast give teams some time to call about a trade. Sheesh quick on the selections he is.

I do believe we did trade up in the 5th. So everyone got there wish.

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Sometimes trading is a good thing. He needs to start thinking about trading down sometimes or atleast give teams some time to call about a trade. Sheesh quick on the selections he is.

teams can call about trading picks, any time. Not just during the pick.
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Jmac Grand Master

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Fact is....we are okay with Ryan and Amini, Nate I think will be good,Turner might just turn out to be a beast...so Bell is the weak link (still a better choice then an untested draft choice with zero experience). I feel that we will bring in a vet to hold down the tackle spot and Bell will be insurance. You all assume because we didn't take Moses that it's done. This is not over and the position will be shored up by a vet with EXPERIENCE after the first cuts or possibly a trade. Would rather go that route instead of a lower tier draft pick and hope he works out.

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rayzor Grand Master

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you guys forget, Byron Bell was a dominate LT in college, he was switched to the right side here because Carolina had Jordan Gross. Hes been playing out of position. Bell has always been the successor to Gross.

i guess we have no choice but to find out, esp. since gettleman decided to not provide any competition or depth for tackle.

btw, when he said he didn't draft any OTs because he didn't like any of them over who we had there, does that mean the only reason he would draft someone was if he liked them morenthan who we have on the roster? or does that only apply to OT?

serious question.

whatever, i hope it works out because we sure are backed into a corner unkess some starting caliber walks through the front door and asks to join the team at a huge discount.

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