The value of a top GM......this man knows his football

[iamhubby1]

you could make a strong argument that the reason we were one and done in the playoffs was a weak offense that couldn't put up enough points.

Or a Defense that lost its cool.

[whatever]

sarcasm

 

 

when none of them were even drafted, it's hard to be sarcastic about the situation at Tackle.

[whatever]

my bad. you meant that you were being sarcastic. i thought that you were asking if i was.

[rayzor]

Or a Defense that lost its cool.

both are valid, imo.

 

big thing for me is having an offense that can take over when the defense fails. that wasn't/isn't us.

[iamhubby1]

both are valid, imo.

 

big thing for me is having an offense that can take over when the defense fails. that wasn't/isn't us.

What about Cam and his 4 4th quarter comebacks? Does that not count as the Offense stepping up?

IMO, the only probable starting lineman I am worried about is Bell. As I see it. We have plenty of youngsters ready to show what they have. Chandler deserves a look. Especially with a year of growth under his belt. Turner may solidify the RG position to go with Kalil and Amini.

We are a ball control team. Not a passing team. Not a running team. We do whatever we can to move the chains, and find a way to score. Benjamin will assist in that regard, as will Olsen, Avante, and Cotchery.

To me. Our Offense will be better than last years. If Bell can improve again, or someone can beat him out. We will be fighting for a Divisional Championship again.

I see no reason not to believe we can continue to build off our success of the last year and a half.

[Ivan The Awesome]

it's a little early to be calling him a top gm

 

 

If after this coming season we are again in the playoffs, I think he is a top GM. I agree with you, but he is in the upper echelon of GMs in the league. 

[rayzor]

What about Cam and his 4 4th quarter comebacks? Does that not count as the Offense stepping up?

IMO, the only probable starting lineman I am worried about is Bell. As I see it. We have plenty of youngsters ready to show what they have. Chandler deserves a look. Especially with a year of growth under his belt. Turner may solidify the RG position to go with Kalil and Amini.

We are a ball control team. Not a passing team. Not a running team. We do whatever we can to move the chains, and find a way to score. Benjamin will assist in that regard, as will Olsen, Avante, and Cotchery.

To me. Our Offense will be better than last years. If Bell can improve again, or someone can beat him out. We will be fighting for a Divisional Championship again.

I see no reason not to believe we can continue to build off our success of the last year and a half.

i hope so, but i think our non-effort to upgrade OT is going to bite us in the ass.  the choices we have in house are sketchy at best. it was the biggest need we had heading into the offseason and made worse when gross retired and we've done nothing to fix it. 

 

i think the receivers will be better just because they won't drop as many passes and i think the addition to the offensive staff from the chargers (i forgot his name) will help the offense be more aggressive than it was with just shula who i still believe is holding the offense back. 

 

the outside of that OL, tho....it's near embarrassing. 

[Khaki Lackey]

i hope so, but i think our non-effort to upgrade OT is going to bite us in the ass. the choices we have in house are sketchy at best. it was the biggest need we had heading into the offseason and made worse when gross retired and we've done nothing to fix it.

i think the receivers will be better just because they won't drop as many passes and i think the addition to the offensive staff from the chargers (i forgot his name) will help the offense be more aggressive than it was with just shula who i still believe is holding the offense back.

the outside of that OL, tho....it's near embarrassing.

Which OT was available at 28 or 60 that you would have picked?

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[rayzor]

Which OT was available at 28 or 60 that you would have picked?

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i'm fine with benjamin in the first. 

 

in the second i absolutely would have gone for moses or turner over ealy. 

 

i know that ealy is talented and apparently a good guy and givs us options in dealing with overpriced DEs that we already have, but we have way too many expensive resources allocated to DEs already while OT is in desperate need of attention.

 

and the whole discussion, as i have said several times, is pretty silky because there isn't this huge disparity in talent between ealy and the choices we had for OT. they could have come in and started and been an upgrade over what we have and the offense made better as well as the team overall.

 

drafting an OT at that point would have made a bigger impact than a backup DE would have.

 

 

BPA is fine to a point. going for value is fine to a point.

 

but if my family needs real meat and i go to the grocery store and spend my limited funds by more potatoes instead of meat because there was a big sale on them, i haven't done my family any favors in hoping that the cans of vienna sausages in the pantry will be good enough.

 

point is we had the best DL in the league and arguably the worst OT situation in the league and we made one stronger and ignored the other when we were entirely capable of making sure that both were in good shape.

[Paa Langfart]

you could make a strong argument that the reason we were one and done in the playoffs was a weak offense that couldn't put up enough points.

 

 

You could make a strong argument that with the cash deficit that Hurney left this team in with his bonehead contracts, Gettleman has done a hell of a job just keeping us in contention during his first year and a half.   Is it Gettlemans fault that hes saddled with an aging half back and a gimp halfback?  Or that much as this forum likes to bitch about the o line, the fact remains that one of the problems with the o line is that three years into his NFL caree, Cam continues to hold onto the ball too damn long and take sacks instead of throwing the ball away ?

 

Vet o lineman will be cut before the season begins and we will get at least one of them - probably for little more than vet minimum.  I also wouldnt be suprised to see us pick up another vet wr or te before September.

[Paa Langfart]

i'm fine with benjamin in the first. 

 

in the second i absolutely would have gone for moses or turner over ealy. 

 

i know that ealy is talented and apparently a good guy and givs us options in dealing with overpriced DEs that we already have, but we have way too many expensive resources allocated to DEs already while OT is in desperate need of attention.

 

and the whole discussion, as i have said several times, is pretty silky because there isn't this huge disparity in talent between ealy and the choices we had for OT. they could have come in and started and been an upgrade over what we have and the offense made better as well as the team overall.

 

drafting an OT at that point would have made a bigger impact than a backup DE would have.

 

 

BPA is fine to a point. going for value is fine to a point.

 

but if my family needs real meat and i go to the grocery store and spend my limited funds by more potatoes instead of meat because there was a big sale on them, i haven't done my family any favors in hoping that the cans of vienna sausages in the pantry will be good enough.

 

point is we had the best DL in the league and arguably the worst OT situation in the league and we made one stronger and ignored the other when we were entirely capable of making sure that both were in good shape.

 

 

You are basing your opinion on little more than your feelings after watching a few highlight reels - youve never met any of these guys or studied them at length or talked to their coaches.  You dont have a friggin clue but you are ready to criticise folks who do this for their livelihood because you dont care for their choices.  You must be drunk cause only real idiots are that stupid.

[rayzor]

You are basing your opinion on little more than your feelings after watching a few highlight reels - youve never met any of these guys or studied them at length or talked to their coaches.  You dont have a friggin clue but you are ready to criticise folks who do this for their livelihood because you dont care for their choices.  You must be drunk cause only real idiots are that stupid.

 

if you were saying that to anyone else you'd be getting a warning from me.

 

just because someone doesnt agree with you or the FO doesnt make them drunk or an idiot. calling them that may just make you an ass, tho. and doing that in here will get you hit with the bant stick. just a heads up.

 

[Cpt slay a ho]

needs to quit trying to make this the carolina giants and be the carolina panthers..............and get some fuggin help for the offesne beside late round rbs and 2nd dl........

[ChinaPanther]

i'm fine with benjamin in the first. 

 

in the second i absolutely would have gone for moses or turner over ealy. 

 

i know that ealy is talented and apparently a good guy and givs us options in dealing with overpriced DEs that we already have, but we have way too many expensive resources allocated to DEs already while OT is in desperate need of attention.

 

and the whole discussion, as i have said several times, is pretty silky because there isn't this huge disparity in talent between ealy and the choices we had for OT. they could have come in and started and been an upgrade over what we have and the offense made better as well as the team overall.

 

drafting an OT at that point would have made a bigger impact than a backup DE would have.

 

 

BPA is fine to a point. going for value is fine to a point.

 

but if my family needs real meat and i go to the grocery store and spend my limited funds by more potatoes instead of meat because there was a big sale on them, i haven't done my family any favors in hoping that the cans of vienna sausages in the pantry will be good enough.

 

point is we had the best DL in the league and arguably the worst OT situation in the league and we made one stronger and ignored the other when we were entirely capable of making sure that both were in good shape.

You would have reached for a need if you were GM Rayzor. Inside the war room there is this thing called the horizontal board where every player has a grade that they have assigned prior to the draft. Kony Ealy was rated higher than Morgan Moses and Billy Turner. Gettleman had a first round grade on Kony Ealy. If Morgan Moses or Billy Turner had a higher grade, Gettleman would have selected the one that did. They didn't. You would have reached for a need and that gets you in trouble. Believe it or not, Byron Bell was a better option at left tackle than Morgan Moses