WR's than run 4.5 or slower

[panthers55]

I'm not saying that he's going to be a bad WR, I have no idea, but the fact that he "takes a while to get up to speed" is by no means a comforting thing to say regarding a poor 40 time. I would rather he be explosive off the line and just slow at top speed than a guy who needs 15 yards to get started. I personally think the speed issue is mitigated by him having such long arms and the ability to go up and get balls that corners can't reach, but you can't apologize away a poor 40 time. It's just one measurement but it does tell you *something* ... you just have to be able to know what it tells you. And the truth is that his 40 time wasn't even really bad it was just ....what you'd expect from a player his size and nothing freakish. But the sad truth is that if he had been able to cut two tenths off his 40 time he would have never been available for us.

 

There are no players drafted outside the Top 15 picks of the draft that don't have at least ONE considerable obstacle to overcome. That's not an insult that's just plain reality. We shouldn't apologize it away and pretend it doesn't exist. For Kelvin it's going to be proving that he's fast enough to play WR being his size and not a TE lined up wide sans the blocking skill of a TE.

I agree that a poor 40 time is relative here.  A 4.6 40 yard dash is hardly a poor time.  The difference between a 4.6 and 4.4 is roughly 1 or 2 steps.  But I don't agree that an explosive first step is that important in football like it is in basketball if he can get off the line due to his large size and strength to just move the defender out of the way.  The fact that is moving quicker on a crossing route or after 10 yards is exactly what will give him separation as opposed to be having a slow top end. It may mean he is better at some routes rather than others but is hardly a reason to be concerned.  As you note, if he had done everything great, he would have been a top 10 pick.

[countryboi]

40 times are very overrated rarely do players run 40 yards at a time, I would like to see how fast your first step is or how fast you get to full speed that was way more important than your 40 time

[CPF4LIFE]

Benjamin doesnt have bad hands, if does then so did Calvin Johnson when he came into the league.

[CatMan72]

Jerry Rice

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[BuffaloBills62]

So, speaking of Steve Johnson.  Why the hell didn't Carolina call Buffalo?  It was widely known he was being shopped.  If you are Carolina you can look at it one of two ways:  Who is going to contribute more:  Benjamin or Johnson?  With Newton throwing him the ball Johnson would have excelled.

[Draconus]

So, speaking of Steve Johnson.  Why the hell didn't Carolina call Buffalo?  It was widely known he was being shopped.  If you are Carolina you can look at it one of two ways:  Who is going to contribute more:  Benjamin or Johnson?  With Newton throwing him the ball Johnson would have excelled.

Because Stevie Johnson is one of the biggest distractions and head cases in the NFL, and his contract this year would have ate up all the spare money we have.

[BuffaloBills62]

Because Stevie Johnson is one of the biggest distractions and head cases in the NFL, and his contract this year would have ate up all the spare money we have.

 

Not turning this to a SJ13 thread but the whole misconception about him being a head case is baffling.  Anyone in the Buffalo area loves the guy and he loves everyone in the community.  He is 27 years old, heading in to his prime, the only Buffalo Bills WR to ever have more then one season over 1,000 yards consecutively.  He put up 3 of those - back to back to back.  Reed nor Loften ever did that.

 

SJ13 got a bad wrap from his tweet in the Pittsburgh game.  He's never been in trouble, never been suspended and he has been demonized by many schmucks around the league and several of them in the Bills organization.  He might be the difference that SF needed.  They will dominate next year - especially because SJ13 owns Sherman who called SJ13 one of the best WR's he's ever faced.  Revis said the same thing, and Stevie owns him, too.

 

He is worth every penny.

[iamhubby1]

Not turning this to a SJ13 thread but the whole misconception about him being a head case is baffling.  Anyone in the Buffalo area loves the guy and he loves everyone in the community.  He is 27 years old, heading in to his prime, the only Buffalo Bills WR to ever have more then one season over 1,000 yards consecutively.  He put up 3 of those - back to back to back.  Reed nor Loften ever did that.

 

SJ13 got a bad wrap from his tweet in the Pittsburgh game.  He's never been in trouble, never been suspended and he has been demonized by many schmucks around the league and several of them in the Bills organization.  He might be the difference that SF needed.  They will dominate next year - especially because SJ13 owns Sherman who called SJ13 one of the best WR's he's ever faced.  Revis said the same thing, and Stevie owns him, too.

 

He is worth every penny.

If we could have gotten him for pennies, we just may have put in an offer.

If Stevie wants to play for pennies let him know we have a few to spare.

[Kevin Greene]

 

Legendary NFL wide receiver, Jerry Rice has hit out against the 40-yard dash drill at the NFL scouting combine saying that it does not equate to real football.

Speaking on his twitter account, Rice said: "All this focus on running the infamous 40 yd dash doesn't mean Sh*t! It doesn't equate to football speed with pads!"

The tweet was later removed from his account.

The 40-yard dash is viewed as the primary test of acceleration and speed at the combine and is attempted by nearly everyone who attends.

Top quarterback draft prospects Johnny Manziel and Blake Bortles recorded times of 4.68 and 4.93 respectively. Jadeveon Clowney wowed analysts today with a time of 4.53.

Another projected first round quarterback, Teddy Bridgewater did not participate in the drill which is shown live on the NFL Network and NFL.com.

According to Sports Illustrated, Rice ran a 4.60 at his combine in 1985. The time was considered a little slow for wide receivers and was selected 16th overall in that year's draft.

 

 

OK a little more recent you say?

 

Look at the scouts, WTF?

 

 

[Double Trouble]

OK a little more recent you say?

 

Look at the scouts, WTF?

 

 

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He dominated as a rookie.

[CPantherKing]

40 times starting out in a track stance and going in a straight line is a waist of time for evaluation.

 

I am more interested in the time it takes to get in and out of a cut, the time it takes to break off a route, time it takes to get off a jam, and their rate of acceleration after contact. Those are the speeds I would compare and calculate to determine distance per second gained on average and top end defensive backs. You can get this all from game tape and it can be improved in most cases from the college level.

[BuffaloBills62]

40 times starting out in a track stance and going in a straight line is a waist of time for evaluation.

 

I am more interested in the time it takes to get in and out of a cut, the time it takes to break off a route, time it takes to get off a jam, and their rate of acceleration after contact. Those are the speeds I would compare and calculate to determine distance per second gained on average and top end defensive backs. You can get this all from game tape and it can be improved in most cases from the college level.

 

so are dictionaries, well, for education.  evaluation, well, clearly we don't need to waste any time here doing that..