why the carolina panthers will not* go bpa

[LinvilleGorge]

BPA is BPA, If you are exempting then it is not BPA.

 

You're acting as if player evaluations are set in stone.  They're not.  Player evaluations will vary greatly between teams and even between scouts, players, and the GM within an organization.  Setting up a big board is all a process and need DOES come into consideration.

[frash.exe]

The guy who ended up drafted was always the best player available. Just ask the team.

I think where a lot of the misunderstanding comes in is people look at a draft board like it's a hard and fast list. If it worked that way, you might as well have a computer do it. Just plug the list into a program and have the computer automatically take the next guy with the highest overall score. No discussion needed.

In reality, it's more flexible than that.

Teams commonly have three or four guys rated about the same, and when the choice comes around they discuss who's the best option. Mind you, there are times when they have one guy far and away better than the others available and when the time comes they're ready to just sprint to the podium with the pick (last year was an example) but most times there's discussion first. Otherwise there'd be little need to allow ten minutes for the choice to be made.

But yeah, I do think going BPA is the smart choice. As Strickland pointed out, need might be a tiebreaker. If you let need make you reach though, as the GM pointed out, you have a pretty good chance of getting screwed,

And if as a GM you are a terrible judge of talent, you're probably better off throwing darts at your big board and seeing where they land to make your pick rather than going BPA. I think very highly of Gettleman so whatever he thinks is BPA is fine with me. But if you ask me, his definition is not going to be in line with everybody else's. My estimation of this forum's concept of BPA is safest pick based on walterfootball and fftoolbox or whatever. Probably explains why everybody wants to draft a linebacker in the first round every year.

[Ruff]

And if as a GM you are a terrible judge of talent, you're probably better off throwing darts at your big board and seeing where they land to make your pick rather than going BPA. I think very highly of Gettleman so whatever he thinks is BPA is fine with me. But if you ask me, his definition is not going to be in line with everybody else's. My estimation of this forum's concept of BPA is safest pick based on walterfootball and fftoolbox or whatever. Probably explains why everybody wants to draft a linebacker in the first round every year.

Are you saying Hurney used walterfootball? Cause I wouldn't argue...

[micnificent28]

The idea that a good idea cant come from anyone not named your favorite source is trash. I really do care who comes up with the ideology as long as it's got some merit. I think this sentiment is very accurate and reflects what gettleman really means in bpa. Best player available at a position of need would be more accurate.

[panthers123]

It all depends on the situation of the team and players on the board.

 

If your entire team sucks --> BPA

If most of the team is great ---> BPA

If your in a scenario where most of the team is good except a few positions ---> BPA in the position of need. 

 

 

[micnificent28]

You're acting as if player evaluations are set in stone. They're not. Player evaluations will vary greatly between teams and even between scouts, players, and the GM within an organization. Setting up a big board is all a process and need DOES come into consideration.

Once again not entirely accurate. The good scouts and organizations come to the dame conclusions a lot of the time which is why you see players fall on draft day. Sherif Floyd and Geno Smiths of world get passed on as if the consensus is that player isn't very good.

[LinvilleGorge]

Once again not entirely accurate. The good scouts and organizations come to the dame conclusions a lot of the time which is why you see players fall on draft day. Sherif Floyd and Geno Smiths of world get passed on as if the consensus is that player isn't very good.

 

How about surprise picks like Travis Frederick in the 1st round last year or Tyson Alualu in the top 10 a few years back?  With all the different systems and philosophies in the NFL, you're insane if you don't think that opinions vary widely.  For the most part, the elite players are considered elite across the board, but once you get past those guys, I'd say opinions likely start to vary significantly not just based on the evaluation of that prospect but also how that organization envisions that player fitting into what they're trying to do on the field.

[micnificent28]

^^This

Damn near anyone can post an article on there. It is about as accurate and relevant as a thread in the Huddle.

So by your way of thinking even if the math adds up it's wrong because it didn't come from what you deem a credible source?

[Ruff]

The idea that a good idea cant come from anyone not named your favorite source is trash. I really do care who comes up with the ideology as long as it's got some merit. I think this sentiment is very accurate and reflects what gettleman really means in bpa. Best player available at a position of need would be more accurate.

BPA @ a position of need still doesn't accurately describe it. Would you say we have a need a DE? Or a need at OLB? Well, what if we draft one of those positions? How about a need a S? We've signed Harper and DeCoud, along with restructuring Godrey for the foreseeable future, while having Robert Lester coming off an impressive UDFA rookie season? Well, I can guarantee you that if Calvin Pryor is there, we take him, even if there's not a "need".

Gettleman has said that he's taking the Best Player Available, and I think it's so that people like you can understand when he doesn't take a WR or OL. There's a method to what is being done, and while I may not agree with how we've gotten here, I agree that he's doing what's best for the long-term solution of this team.

And taking the best player available at a position of current need is not how you build a long term, winning team.

[micnificent28]

BPA @ a position of need still doesn't accurately describe it. Would you say we have a need a DE? Or a need at OLB? Well, what if we draft one of those positions? How about a need a S? We've signed Harper and DeCoud, along with restructuring Godrey for the foreseeable future, while having Robert Lester coming off an impressive UDFA rookie season? Well, I can guarantee you that if Calvin Pryor is there, we take him, even if there's not a "need".

Gettleman has said that he's taking the Best Player Available, and I think it's so that people like you can understand when he doesn't take a WR or OL. There's a method to what is being done, and while I may not agree with how we've gotten here, I agree that he's doing what's best for the long-term solution of this team.

And taking the best player available at a position of current need is not how you build a long term, winning team.

Whatever you may have gathered from what gettleman has said in public and to the masses is in line with what others have said. He doesn't care what the fan's think so he will say what needs to be said. But judging from his actions and where he has been snooping his nose around would say other wise unless his scouting trips and interviews have been a smokescreen as well. Most of the time has been spent at wr and ol which leads me to believe that's where he wants to go with the pick. And yes you could say for later rounds but, the guy's he has been scouting at the position aren't scheduled to be there in later rounds. You can bang the drum all day you want for Kon ealy or calvin pryor all you want but i trust a man's actions over his words. Especially in the lying season where it is to your advantage for people to believe your in the mind set to do anything.

[Ruff]

Whatever you may have gathered from what gettleman has said in public and to the masses is in line with what others have said. He doesn't care what the fan's think so he will say what needs to be said. But judging from his actions and where he has been snooping his nose around would say other wise unless his scouting trips and interviews have been a smokescreen as well. Most of the time has been spent at wr and ol which leads me to believe that's where he wants to go with the pick. And yes you could say for later rounds but, the guy's he has been scouting at the position aren't scheduled to be there in later rounds. You can bang the drum all day you want for Kon ealy or calvin pryor all you want but i trust a man's actions over his words. Especially in the lying season where it is to your advantage for people to believe your in the mind set to do anything.

Last season we scouted every WR under the sun, and didn't draft one. I don't think who we scout matters, honestly.

[panther4life]

I think Gettleman is being slightly disingenuous when he suggests BPA. What he means if there is a player whose value you can't ignore is there at 28 you take him. Doesn't mean if you have a DT who is a 23rd pick value and a WR who is 27th pick value you just take the DT because he is slighty better.

 

 

Pure BPA makes no sense.

 

^^^

This is the best and simplest way to explain it.

 

Not 1 single NFL team has just a vertical big board.

 

Vertical Boards are organized by position.

 

Then you also have a horizontal board to basically help you do what Happy Panther just explained.

 

You can find leaked pics of the Cowboys draft room from a couple years ago that shows you these vertical and horizontal boards if you google them.

 

Also I believe (not 100% certain) that Bill Parcells broke the vertical and horizontal boards down pretty well in the "draft confidentail" series he did on ESPN a few years ago.

[LinvilleGorge]

Last season we scouted every WR under the sun, and didn't draft one. I don't think who we scout matters, honestly.

 

The board just didn't play out right.  You can argue that we maybe should've taken Keenan Allen in the 2nd, but Kawaan Short played damn well for us and Allen didn't go for nearly a full round after we were on the clock in the 2nd. So if we missed him there, so did pretty much everyone else as well.  Nuke Hopkins was a guy I really wanted and was the guy I would've been screaming for if Star wasn't on the board, but Star was literally the guy I would've taken for us #1 overall last year and we got him at #14.  I would've taken Quinton Patton in the 4th over Kugzilla, but both guys missed virtually all of their rookie seasons, so it's tough to say how that one will play out.  I would've also taken Ryan Swopes in the 5th over AJ Klein, but obviously the medical red flags on Swopes were legit as he was forced to retire before his career really even began while Klein looked pretty darn good for us as a rookie.  Check in the win column for us on that one.

[LinvilleGorge]

I've read enough nonsense so far. Thank god it'll be over tonight.

 

Not even close, sir!  There will still be two more days to go!