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Morgan Moses vs Allen Robinson

Mr. Scot

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Moses simply due to the receivers left for later rounds.

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But can those receivers available at 60 contribute anything substantial immediately and potentially be future #1's?  That would be the issue with waiting on them simply because of the depth at the position.  Most of the receivers the huddle likes will be gone at 60, and the one's left are probably no more than 2's and 3's down the road.  And most of them also wouldn't significantly cut into Avant and Cotchery's time, IMO...or Underwood's, for that matter.  Almost none of them would be expected to be able to come in and start on day one.

 

Now Robinson can be all those things.  Will he?  There's no certainty with any draft pick, but his skill set says there is a much better chance than any of the guys that might be available at 60.  

 

I think Robinson has a higher ceiling and is better at his position than Moses is at his, so I would choose Robinson.  But, if the Panthers choose Moses (or anyone else), I will be just as happy.  I have to trust Gettleman's evaluation skills, I have no reason not to...he's done nothing to make me question him thus far.   

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But can those receivers available at 60 contribute anything substantial immediately and potentially be future #1's?  That would be the issue with waiting on them simply because of the depth at the position.  Most of the receivers the huddle likes will be gone at 60, and the one's left are probably no more than 2's and 3's down the road.  And most of them also wouldn't significantly cut into Avant and Cotchery's time, IMO...or Underwood's, for that matter.  Almost none of them would be expected to be able to come in and start on day one.

 

Now Robinson can be all those things.  Will he?  There's no certainty with any draft pick, but his skill set says there is a much better chance than any of the guys that might be available at 60.  

 

I think Robinson has a higher ceiling and is better at his position than Moses is at his, so I would choose Robinson.  But, if the Panthers choose Moses (or anyone else), I will be just as happy.  I have to trust Gettleman's evaluation skills, I have no reason not to...he's done nothing to make me question him thus far.   

 

If you put the "steeper dropoff" argument in mathematical terms, a tackle with a grade of 80 and a receiver with a grade of 65 bring more overall than a receiver with a grade of 90 and a tackle and of 50.

 

Gotta go by the value on your board.

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If you put the "steeper dropoff" argument in mathematical terms, a tackle with a grade of 80 and a receiver with a grade of 65 bring more overall than a receiver with a grade of 90 and a tackle and of 50.

 

Gotta go by the value on your board.

 

And I think Robinson has higher value.  I believe he has the tools to not only be a #1, but an upper echelon receiver.  Whereas I think Moses will never be anything more than a solid starter.  Never a pro bowler, just an average OT (most likely RT) that will be fine, but nothing special.

 

So no matter how it is sliced, I think Robinson will mean more to this team than Moses would...both immediately and long-term. 

 

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I've been listening to some pre-draft press conferences of other teams and most of them agree that you don't pass over a player you like at a certain spot just because their is depth at that position in a later round.

For example say we have Robinson graded above Moses. Most GM's seem to think that you take Robinson even though the depth at WR is better because you never talk yourself out of a player you like at the spot you're at, for a player that may or may not be available later.

Then again the GM's could be blowing smoke. It is a Pre-draft press conference after all.

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And I think Robinson has higher value.  I believe he has the tools to not only be a #1, but an upper echelon receiver.  Whereas I think Moses will never be anything more than a solid starter.  Never a pro bowler, just an average OT (most likely RT) that will be fine, but nothing special.

 

So no matter how it is sliced, I think Robinson will mean more to this team than Moses would...both immediately and long-term. 

 

 

And if that's what you believe, you take him.

 

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I like Robinson because he can start right away and can do the things that most receivers take time to learn like separate at the line, read coverages and run the whole route tree.  Many of the guys ranked above him can't do that. I wouldn't be surprised if he is gone at 28.

As for linemen, there are not many guys who could start who will be there at 28 if any.  So do you use your first rounder on depth or a starter.  If you want depth you can find a guy all over the draft.  Personally I think Moses is way overrated but what do I know??  I just think that Robinson is really the kind of receiver we have been looking for years and will be a real complement to what we have already.  I don't think any of the OTs at 28 will be starters at least this year.  I would rather take Bell as the starter and get someone at 60 or 92.

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I like Lattimer, Moncreif, Adams, Bryant and a couple others that don't immediately comes to mind.

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Based on what everyone is saying, I think Latimer and Adams will both be long gone by 60, and maybe even Moncrief.  And I don't think either Moncrief or Adams will be a #1.  Latimer has the skill set, but may even be gone in the first, so I don't think you hang your hat on him at 60 in the hopes he is there.

 

That's the problem, there are so many teams that want/need a receiver, that most of the ones with #1 potential will probably be gone.  This is a very deep draft for WR, but most of them will end up as 2's, 3's, and even bench players.  So if you have a chance at a guy that you truly believe has #1 ability, and you don't feel there is a genuine LT available, you go for the receiver.  Of course this is based on the assumption that the Panthers feel that Robinson can be a #1 and don't like Moses or Kouandjio in the first, which may or may not be the case.

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And if that's what you believe, you take him.

 

 

Yep, you have to trust your evaluations and take the player you believe will help your team the most.  Unfortunately, we don't have access to actual team evaluations, so what we think may be true, may actally be the farthest thing from it.

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