Panthers meet with Ryan Shazier

[Dex]

omgomgomgomgomgomgomg please happen!!!!

[d-dave]

You got to look at improvement.  Could Shazier improve our Defense?  How about TD-Luke-Shazier?  What a terrible problem to have.  We'd kind of destroy the short passing and run game more so, forcing QBs to throw deeper and hold the ball longer.  

 

Who knows if he's going to be there anyway.  We have no idea who's going to play the OT positions for us.  We have no idea how any of the June 1st cuts will play out.  I think the best thing the franchise can do is to draft the best player, and THEN figure out how to use them.  Lots will moan "But we has no LTz?!" which is absolutely true today.  Which rookie OT do you trust RIGHT NOW to handle the best DEs in the league?  Matthews?  He's a top 10 pick.  Lewan?  Top 12.  Who else is going to step in and be a starting LT as a rookie?

 

That's about it.  Thankfully, we'll let someone whose praised for his obsessive approach to talent evaluation do his job.

[Mr. Scot]

No what you do is anytime anyone suggests anything other than exactly what Gettleman is supposedly doing then they must be wanting him to be Hurney. There can no middle ground apparently with some people. It's either literally Gettleman or Hurney. Which is a crock of poo.

 

If you say so :rolleyes:

 

drafting your franchise LT or RT is looking down the road, wouldn't you say? just because it takes care of an immediate need doesn't take away from the fact that it helps down the road as well. we draft moses or koundijojomama and we have LT locked up for years. i don't see how that's a bad thing.

 

Do you see a franchise tackle available at #28?

 

You know how I feel about OL but even I think it's a stretch to call either of them a franchise left tackle.

 

[WOW!!]

Drafting for need on an annual basis sure worked out well for our last GM, right? :wacko:

The last GM was quoted a few times saying "keeping strength stronger" so you might want to check your facts.

[TheRed]

You got to look at improvement.  Could Shazier improve our Defense?  How about TD-Luke-Shazier?  What a terrible problem to have.

 

Improvement you say? Our OL couldn't use some improvement?

[Cary Kollins]

Two more fugging days.

[WOW!!]

Why take a guy that runs a 4.37 40 off the field on passing downs?

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Because we only play 2 LB's maybe 1 on passing downs and you're not taking the DPoy and Thomas Davis off the field for a rookie.

[KendrickPanther]

I just want to fix our offense so the Cam White Knights will stop crying. Also I think AJ Klein and a veteran like Chase Blackburn can replace TD in the future.

[d-dave]

Improvement you say? Our OL couldn't use some improvement?

 

Absolutely.  Do you "reach" for a guy who might play, or go for the best player on your board?  What if you reach and miss?  That's a double ouch.  It's better to get the best player because, when the homework is done correctly, those guys tend to at least be unspectacular, solid players.

 

Or why not just draft OL all day and night?  The odds are at least one sticking?  Would that be a good draft too?  I don't know, the draft is fun to talk about, but I'm glad my job doesn't ride on it!

[TheRed]

I just want to fix our offense so the Cam White Knights will stop crying.

 

Dafuq?

 

Yeah as if improving our offense would hurt the team or something.

[Mr. Scot]

The last GM was quoted a few times saying "keeping strength stronger" so you might want to check your facts.

 

Hurney said a lot of the right things.  He sucked at delivering on them.

 

Contenders prepare for the future.  Teams like the Raiders and Jaguars draft for right now.

 

You want us to follow that example?  

[rayzor]

If you suck at evaluation, you're gonna fail regardless.

But it's been said many times (and you've agreed) that one of Hurney's biggest failures was that he never looked beyond the right now. That belief that you are 'just a player or two away' defined us in the Hurney era. You know that as well as anybody.

trust me, I want to see our weaknesses (OL especially0 addressed as much as anybody, but if we want the panthers to be perennial contenders rather than just having the occasional success we had under Hurney, we can't keep being shortsighted,

again, drafting OT isn't just drafting an immediate need. it's not being shirt sighted. it's recognizing an area that needs addressing for this year and for years down the road.

here's the thing with OL rookies...you don't draft them to fill an immediate need because except for a couple taken usually within the first few picks, they all play like they have rollerskates the first couple years and are typically pretty mistake-prone amd i'm not a fan of starting them put of the gate (even though the experience is needed and valuable), but we are backed right now into a situation where we really don't have any choice because we are so bad off.

if we aren't going to draft our future OTs now? then when and how are we going to aqcuire them? hope that we magically find them floating around in FA and somehow affordable? do we hope that maybe next year they are the BPAs when we pick on day one or two? do we just hold tight and hope that the guy we draft day three or pick up as a udfa miraculously turns into a legit starter? or do we decide that right now is the right time to invest in cam and our future OL by drafting the best option right now?

if we don't address it now and get them the experience they need right now (which will likely take a couple years to be that legit starter regardless of who we select), then when do we do it?

sacrifices have to be made, and one of them might just be this commitment to BPA regardless of position or need.

[TheRed]

Absolutely.  Do you "reach" for a guy who might play, or go for the best player on your board?  What if you reach and miss?  That's a double ouch.  It's better to get the best player because, when the homework is done correctly, those guys tend to at least be unspectacular, solid players.

 

Or why not just draft OL all day and night?  The odds are at least one sticking?  Would that be a good draft too?  I don't know, the draft is fun to talk about, but I'm glad my job doesn't ride on it!

 

Shazier could turn out to be a bust just like any other player.

 

Sorry but I'm not looking to draft a possibly "unspectacular" linebacker when we have one legit player on our OL, and no #1 WR.

[emhoward]

I'd be all for it. Even though I'm a strong BPA guy, i do understand the frustration of the guys that really want us to take a tackle or WR.