Panthers meet with Ryan Shazier

[Mr. Scot]

hiw many snaps does the LB not named keuchly or davis get? we don't keep 3 LBs on the field all that much. when i said 30-40 snaps, i didn't mean because he's a developmental guy. i meant because we don't use 3 LBs nearly as much as we do 5 guys in the secondary.

and if shazier is as good as everyone in here is touting him to be, why in the world would he be available at 28? we aren't the only ones who buy into this BPA philosophy and we aren't nthat much better than the other teams draft rooms. is there some kind of health or character concern we don't know about? if there isn't then why would he be there unless he really isn't nthat much better than the guys he'd be on the board with.

 

I've seen mocks with him taken ahead of our pick.  One draftnik said he might be a better pro than C J Moseley (forget who).

 

Mayock has him at number 18 in his top 100; just behind Odell Beckham, just ahead of Darqueze Dennard, Derek Carr, even Brandin Cooks and Calvin Pryor.

 

Like i said, not my first choice but also not a pick that would have me tearing my hair out.

[Captain Morgan]

hiw many snaps does the LB not named keuchly or davis get? we don't keep 3 LBs on the field all that much. when i said 30-40 snaps, i didn't mean because he's a developmental guy. i meant because we don't use 3 LBs nearly as much as we do 5 guys in the secondary.

and if shazier is as good as everyone in here is touting him to be, why in the world would he be available at 28? we aren't the only ones who buy into this BPA philosophy and we aren't nthat much better than the other teams draft rooms. is there some kind of health or character concern we don't know about? if there isn't then why would he be there unless he really isn't nthat much better than the guys he'd be on the board with and/or the value just isn't there, even if he's a perennial probowler or whatever.

 

 

 

that's a bizarre argument.  Apparently we shouldn't take anyone at 28 because no one else wanted them?

 

The Bengals are looking at him at 24.

[Mr. Scot]

Yes lets fix what could be future problems instead of the issues of today.

 

Drafting for need on an annual basis sure worked out well for our last GM, right? :wacko:

 

[Strawman]

Why take a guy that runs a 4.37 40 off the field on passing downs?

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[rayzor]

that's a bizarre argument. Apparently we shouldn't take anyone at 28 because no one else wanted them?

The Bengals are looking at him at 24.

that's not what i was saying, but nice spin, though.

is he really that much better than than other guys we could take at 28 who could help the team more and if he is, why wouldn't he have been taken earlier?

[TheRed]

Drafting for need on an annual basis sure worked out well for our last GM, right? :wacko:

 

So if anyone dares to mention our weak areas on offense that means they literally want us to start drafting like Hurney?

[PFChangz]

We've gone long enough without putting something decent on offense for Cam this would be a ridiculous draft pick look at how other teams have gone out of their way to make sure their franchise qbs have multiple weapons and a good o line. If you want to replace td do it in the later rounds next years draft or fa but not before we get cam some weapons I will be so pissed if this is the pick

 

I think you have to take into account that the panthers will be picking at 28th with no chance in hell of moving up. With this pick you can't take a chance at drafting a 2nd round type talent when there is still plenty of sure fire 1st round talent still on the board. No one is saying that Shazier is guaranteed to be there at that pick but if he is how could you not pick him over some potential early 2nd round OT or WR talent that could easily be found towards the end of the 2nd as well? I would be ecstatic if we landed Moses at OT or Cooks/Beckham at WR in the 1st but you got to prepare for that talent to be off the board and look into the potential talent that could be there instead. 

[Sean Payton's Vicodin]

I wouldn't be against it

[Jakob]

[rayzor]

Drafting for need on an annual basis sure worked out well for our last GM, right? :wacko:

hurney failed because he sucked at evaluating talent beyond the first round and he was too much of a gambler with draft picks thinking he was the next beathard (who was responsible for the chargers trading up to draft ryan leaf, btw) and because he was too loyal to his players, not because he supposedly drafted for need.

[Mr. Scot]

So if anyone dares to mention our weak areas on offense that means they literally want us to start drafting like Hurney?

 

If someone says "let's draft for right now" rather than take a long term approach, I point out that's what the last guy did.

 

Better teams (like the Giants and Steelers, for example) look at the future rather than being shortsighted

 

 

[TheRed]

If someone says "let's draft for right now" rather than take a long term approach, I point out that's what the last guy did.

 

Better teams (like the Giants and Steelers, for example) look at the future rather than being shortsighted

 

No what you do is anytime anyone suggests anything other than exactly what Gettleman is supposedly doing then they must be wanting him to be Hurney. There can no middle ground apparently with some people. It's either literally Gettleman or Hurney. Which is a crock of poo.

[rayzor]

If someone says "let's draft for right now" rather than take a long term approach, I point out that's what the last guy did.

Better teams (like the Giants and Steelers, for example) look at the future rather than being shortsighted

drafting your franchise LT or RT is looking down the road, wouldn't you say? just because it takes care of an immediate need doesn't take away from the fact that it helps down the road as well. we draft moses or koundijojomama and we have LT locked up for years. i don't see how that's a bad thing.

[Mr. Scot]

hurney failed because he sucked at evaluating talent beyond the first round and he was too much of a gambler with draft picks thinking he was the next beathard (who was responsible for the chargers trading up to draft ryan leaf, btw) and because he was too loyal to his players, not because he supposedly drafted for need.

 

If you suck at evaluation, you're gonna fail regardless.

 

But it's been said many times (and you've agreed) that one of Hurney's biggest failures was that he never looked beyond the right now.  That belief that you are 'just a player or two away' defined us in the Hurney era.  You know that as well as anybody.

 

Trust me, I want to see our weaknesses (OL especially0 addressed as much as anybody, but if we want the panthers to be perennial contenders rather than just having the occasional success we had under Hurney, we can't keep being shortsighted,