Panthers meet with Ryan Shazier

[TheRed]

We didn't re-sign Anderson because we changed GMs.  Hurney gave him a five year extension.  Gettleman gave him a pink slip,

 

We should drop a first round pick on whomever we consider the best player available at the time.

 

Some positions won't be considered (quarterback, kicker, punter) but I'm against reaching for need.

 

 

I would imagine that Gettleman evaluated him before letting him walk simply because the previous GM acquired him. No way to know who will be available at our pick yet obviously, but BPA for the sake of BPA isn't always the case. Otherwise we'd end up with a quarterback.

[rayzor]

I think the point of maybe taking Shazier at 28 is we know he can step in and make an impact right away.

There probably will not be a sure-fire LT at 28. There probably will not be a sure-fire CB at 28. There probably will be plenty of value at WR in the later rounds.

If Shazier is there at 28, you are talking about a potential probowl caliber player. The value may be too good for us to turn down.

the guy we pass up for shazier could be a probowl valiber guy. no one knows. this isn't guaranteed. how many snaps will shazier be playing right away to make his immediate impact? now compare that with an OT we would take and the alternative he would be to the OTs on our roster right now. what would make the bigger impact?

[Mr. Scot]

that's the thing, i don't see the available options as being much lesser players, esp. considering the impact it would make to a position that is in dire straights like OL is.

tell me the truth, would a "blue chip" player at a position that isn't likely to be a need for the next couple years worth sacrificing the opportunity to make a significant upgrade to the big uglies and not only protect cam, but open up the run game? what is likely to make the bigger difference overall? a guy who is likely to see the field maybe 30-40 plays a game the first couple years or a guy who will be helping the OL for all but a few snaps a game right out of the gate?

 

See, that's the nature of the whole 'BPA' debate.

 

I'll always hope the BPA happens to be at a spot we need, but it doesn't always work out that way.

 

Regarding Shazier, he would definitely not be my first choice, but from what I've read I wouldn't consider him a developmental prospect.  He likely could start right now and be an immediate impact guy.  No stretch to think he's better than Chase Blackburn and A J Klein.

 

So yeah draft him and you have a starter and a good one, and you can argue that's never a negative.

[Mr. Scot]

I would imagine that Gettleman evaluated him before letting him walk simply because the previous GM acquired him. No way to know who will be available at our pick yet obviously, but BPA for the sake of BPA isn't always the case. Otherwise we'd end up with a quarterback.

 

Like I said above, certain special positions won't be looked at (quarterback, punter, kicker) and others (like fullback) aren't generally considered high enough value to be BPA in the first round.

 

 

Why do I feel gettleman is going to blow this pick.

 

Probably because you've been assuming that for months and you'll probably say it regardless of who we take.

[PFChangz]

that's the thing, i don't see the available options as being much lesser players, esp. considering the impact it would make to a position that is in dire straights like OL is.

tell me the truth, would a "blue chip" player at a position that isn't likely to be a need for the next couple years worth sacrificing the opportunity to make a significant upgrade to the big uglies and not only protect cam, but open up the run game? what is likely to make the bigger difference overall? a guy who is likely to see the field maybe 30-40 plays a game the first couple years or a guy who will be helping the OL for all but a few snaps a game right out of the gate?

 

Who is that guy though? Who is this OT worthy of a pick at 28 that is leaps and bounds better than the talent that we could pick up towards the back of the 2nd round? You keep putting emphasis on the position without listing players worthy of the pick. I understand that we need a Tackle and we need it bad but all the talent worthy of a 1st round OT pick is not going to be there while the talent in later rounds could be considered interchangeable. This logic also applies to the WR position as well. When it comes to Shazier he is a great player that could make a huge impact down the road and you aren't going to find that kind of talent in later rounds. 

[TheRed]

Like I said above, certain special positions won't be looked at (quarterback, punter, kicker) and others (like fullback) aren't generally considered high enough value to be BPA in the first round.

 

 

 

Probably because you've been assuming that for months and you'll probably say it regardless of who we take.

 

Shazier isn't the only LB in the draft, and we have 7 picks.

[Mr. Scot]

Who is that guy though? Who is this OT worthy of a pick at 28 that is leaps and bounds better than the talent that we could pick up towards the back of the 2nd round? You keep putting emphasis on the position without listing players worthy of the pick. I understand that we need a Tackle and we need it bad but all the talent worthy of a 1st round OT pick is not going to be there while the talent in later rounds could be considered interchangeable. This logic also applies to the WR position as well. When it comes to Shazier he is a great player that could make a huge impact down the road and you aren't going to find that kind of talent in later rounds. 

 

Valid question.

 

I like Morgan Moses, but can I see him being graded as a second rounder?  Honestly, yeah.

[Cary Kollins]

Who is that guy though? Who is this OT worthy of a pick at 28 that is leaps and bounds better than the talent that we could pick up towards the back of the 2nd round? You keep putting emphasis on the position without listing players worthy of the pick. I understand that we need a Tackle and we need it bad but all the talent worthy of a 1st round OT pick is not going to be there while the talent in later rounds could be considered interchangeable. This logic also applies to the WR position as well. When it comes to Shazier he is a great player that could make a huge impact down the road and you aren't going to find that kind of talent in later rounds. 

 

 

 

this.

 

 

It's not like we are drafting the next Jordan Gross at 28.

[rayzor]

See, that's the nature of the whole 'BPA' debate.

I'll always hope the BPA happens to be at a spot we need, but it doesn't always work out that way.

Regarding Shazier, he would definitely not be my first choice, but from what I've read I wouldn't consider him a developmental prospect. He likely could start right now and be an immediate impact guy. No stretch to think he's better than Chase Blackburn and A J Klein.

So yeah draft him and you have a starter and a good one, and you can argue that's never a negative.

hiw many snaps does the LB not named keuchly or davis get? we don't keep 3 LBs on the field all that much. when i said 30-40 snaps, i didn't mean because he's a developmental guy. i meant because we don't use 3 LBs nearly as much as we do 5 guys in the secondary.

and if shazier is as good as everyone in here is touting him to be, why in the world would he be available at 28? we aren't the only ones who buy into this BPA philosophy and we aren't nthat much better than the other teams draft rooms. is there some kind of health or character concern we don't know about? if there isn't then why would he be there unless he really isn't nthat much better than the guys he'd be on the board with and/or the value just isn't there, even if he's a perennial probowler or whatever.

[Mr. Scot]

Shazier definitely isn't a nightmare pick for me.

 

Kony Ealy, on the other hand... :wacko:

 

(not the position; I just don't like him that much)

[MCC]

I'd be fine with it, but only if he really is the BPA. I'd be mad if he was chosen over a good player like say, Lee or Latimer, though.

[Cary Kollins]

and if shazier is as good as everyone in here is touting him to be, why in the world would he be available at 28? we aren't the only ones who buy into this BPA philosophy and we aren't nthat much better than the other teams draft rooms. is there some kind of health or character concern we don't know about? if there isn't then why would he be there unless he really isn't nthat much better than the guys he'd be on the board with and/or the value just isn't there, even if he's a perennial probowler or whatever.

 

 

 

He probably won't be there. But it's good to see the Panthers FO exploring all options.

 

and if he does fall, it'll be because this draft is deep as balls

 

 

 

 

[Mr Mojo Risin]

We've gone long enough without putting something decent on offense for Cam this would be a ridiculous draft pick look at how other teams have gone out of their way to make sure their franchise qbs have multiple weapons and a good o line. If you want to replace td do it in the later rounds next years draft or fa but not before we get cam some weapons I will be so pissed if this is the pick

[WOW!!]

keep strengths strong. ignore weak spots that just keep getting weaker.

yay.

Yes lets fix what could be future problems instead of the issues of today.