Panthers meet with Ryan Shazier

[Mr. Scot]

Not really?

 

Both Beason and Davis were coming off serious injuries from which we had no idea if they would ever completely return to 100%. We now have a DROY, DPOY MLB in Luke, a healthy Thomas Davis, Chase Blackburn, and an up and coming A.J. Klein.

 

Yes, Davis was a question mark then, but he is now too (for both injury and age).

 

And while I'm not the biggest james Anderson fan, he was further along than A J Klein is now.

 

More to the point though, the prior offseason saw contract extensions for all three starters, including that monstrous contract for Beason.

 

All that money spent on a linebacking corps, and then you use your first rounder on one while other positions are in dire need?

 

Like I said, not that different.

[Herbert The Love Bug]

would not hate this pick

[Mr. Scot]

the OL was in bad shape then. it's worse now.

the WR corps was in bad shape. it's worse now.

the secondary still sucks.

and when people say reaching for a need, i dont think the disparity in talent is that great when we're talking about who is going to be available at 28. it all depends on how serious you are about fixing what needs fixing.

 

We're not the scouts though.  We don't know how these guys are graded.

 

Setting the names aside, if you're in that spot, and you have a guy you feel is a blue chip player at a position you may not need right now but you're likely to have a need for in the not too distant future, do you take a guy whom you consider a lesser (maybe much lesser) player over him just because it's a more immediate need?

[TheRed]

Yes, Davis was a question mark then, but he is now too (for both injury and age).

 

And while I'm not the biggest james Anderson fan, he was further along than A J Klein is now.

 

More to the point though, the prior offseason saw contract extensions for all three starters, including that monstrous contract for Beason.

 

All that money spent on a linebacking corps, and then you use your first rounder on one while other positions are in dire need?

 

Like I said, not that different.

 

So we should drop a first round pick this year on LB because of Davis? I'm not against drafting a LB, but there are other rounds. If Anderson was so far along why didn't we bother to re-sign him? He barely got a million with Chicago in 2013, and he's currently an FA.

 

I'm sorry but I just don't understand how you can make that connection.

[ctrcat]

Who says we are? Seferian-Jenkins, Enunwa, Moncrief, Lyerla, Richardson, Washington, Coleman, Landry, etc will all still be there at 60.

There was some ASJ @60 fantasy a month or two ago, however he just put up a 4.56 40 and 37.5 vertical at 6'6 271. Fat freakin chance he's there at 60.

As for Shazier at 28? #*|| NO!!!

[rayzor]

I'm interested to hear who you would take over Shazier provided he legitimately is BPA. Lets say Lewan doesn't magically drop and Moses isn't their either. Do you take a chance on Kuandjio's knees, a projected 2nd round OL or go with a prospect in Shazier who looks to be a sure fire stud. Lets say Beckham and Cooks are off the board as well, Ebron goes 15-20, and all you are left with in terms of 1st round WR talent is KB who has his questions or Marquise Lee with his case of the dropsies. Do you reach for a second round OL/WR prospect or take the sure fire LB?

the biggest issue with me is what do you do next? what if shazier is the bpa and you draft him? what if in the second round the "legit" bpa is a DT? do you draft him instead of the guy that best addresses your need? and then after that, do you keep on picking up guys that "keep your strengths strong" and just hope that the table scraps you find laying around are enough to take on the very important job of protecting cam or that the old guys you brought in at WR and in the secondary are enough to make a difference in the passing game?

and you're saying that shazier is going to be that drastic of a difference in talent and ability to warrant doing absolutely nothing to help those areas that really need help? because that's what you are essentially setting yourself up for and i for one am not buying it.

[CPF4LIFE]

Great. More leverage for cam on that new contract. Might as well draft a QB too. Might need em later on.

[Mr. Scot]

So we should drop a first round pick this year on LB because of Davis? I'm not against drafting a LB, but there are other rounds. If Anderson was so far along why didn't we bother to re-sign him? He barely got a million with Chicago in 2013, and he's currently an FA.

 

I'm sorry but I just don't understand how you can make that connection.

 

We didn't re-sign Anderson because we changed GMs.  Hurney gave him a five year extension.  Gettleman gave him a pink slip,

 

We should drop a first round pick on whomever we consider the best player available at the time.

 

Some positions won't be considered (quarterback, kicker, punter) but I'm against reaching for need.

 

[lola]

This poo might really happen. Can't be mad either. The dude is a stud. WR in the second would still be a good player.

[Cary Kollins]

the biggest issue with me is what do you do next? what if shazier is the bpa and you draft him? what if in the second round the "legit" bpa is a DT? do you draft him instead of the guy that best addresses your need? and then after that, do you keep on picking up guys that "keep your strengths strong" and just hope that the table scraps you find laying around are enough to take on the very important job of protecting cam or that the old guys you brought in at WR and in the secondary are enough to make a difference in the passing game?

and you're saying that shazier is going to be that drastic of a difference in talent and ability to warrant doing absolutely nothing to help those areas that really need help? because that's what you are essentially setting yourself up for and i for one am not buying it.

 

 

 

I think the point of maybe taking Shazier at 28 is we know he can step in and make an impact right away.

 

There probably will not be a sure-fire LT at 28. There probably will not be a sure-fire CB at 28.  There probably will be plenty of value at WR in the later rounds.

 

If Shazier is there at 28, you are talking about a potential probowl caliber player. The value may be too good for us to turn down.

[bleys]

if you thought people would freak at a DE pick in the 1st........

[rayzor]

We're not the scouts though. We don't know how these guys are graded.

Setting the names aside, if you're in that spot, and you have a guy you feel is a blue chip player at a position you may not need right now but you're likely to have a need for in the not too distant future, do you take a guy whom you consider a lesser (maybe much lesser) player over him just because it's a more immediate need?

that's the thing, i don't see the available options as being much lesser players, esp. considering the impact it would make to a position that is in dire straights like OL is.

tell me the truth, would a "blue chip" player at a position that isn't likely to be a need for the next couple years worth sacrificing the opportunity to make a significant upgrade to the big uglies and not only protect cam, but open up the run game? what is likely to make the bigger difference overall? a guy who is likely to see the field maybe 30-40 plays a game the first couple years or a guy who will be helping the OL for all but a few snaps a game right out of the gate?

[micnificent28]

Why do I feel gettleman is going to blow this pick.

[BerryLoMein]

Ahhh shucks, we will just score 50 points on defense every game, bump offense.