Panthers meet with Ryan Shazier

[Mr. Scot]

then when and how do you address LT?

 

With a later pick (though probably not), with a free agent, with a cut, with a trade, or - if you really and truly believe in them - with Byron Bell or Nate Chandler.

 

Could any of those be the wrong choice?  Sure, but so could any tackle we take in the first.

 

Reaching makes that more likely.

[Riverboat Ron]

Not sure I get the Shazier hate. I agree I'd rather grab an OT, WR or CB at 28, but to simply dismiss bpa in a position of some need would be folly. I personally think Shazier is gone by 28, so it probably wont be an issue. As for the hate, watch the tape, he's better than Lavonte David. I wouldn't be surprised if Shazier is off the board at 16 to the Cowboys.

[rayzor]

I see your argument but my argument with regards to the title of this thread is that Shazier would be a great pick at 28 provided a player like Moses is not available. I don't know how I feel about Kuandijo just yet but I agree he could be worth the risk/gamble. What people don't seem to realize is what needs to be taken into account when picking at 28. As you said earlier sacrifices need to be made which I believe is true but in an opposite way. As in, sacrifice you hope of getting an OT in the first. All the great OT talent will most likely be gone by 28 so you take the best sure fire player you can get that will actually benefit the team without stockpiling a position.

You know how you do address the need though? You wait until the second round! There is just as much gamble/risk in waiting to pick an OT in the second as there is in reaching for one in the 1st. This draft lasts longer than the 1st round so there is no problem with looking for OT talent in the second or even later rounds when it just isn't there in the 1st.

runs happen. what if (and this is quite likely if it happened in the first) a run happens on the second/third tier OTs and/or we decide to go, yet again, another direction with the second round pick?

what's the plan for addressing LT or even RT?

[rayzor]

Not sure I get the Shazier hate. I agree I'd rather grab an OT, WR or CB at 28, but to simply dismiss bpa in a position of some need would be folly. I personally think Shazier is gone by 28, so it probably wont be an issue. As for the hate, watch the tape, he's better than Lavonte David. I wouldn't be surprised if Shazier is off the board at 16 to the Cowboys.

i don't hate the guy. i'd hate the pick.

[Mr. Scot]

The reason this may not be likely is because you hear Gettleman (and others) say they want their first round picks to be someone who can make an "immediate impact."  If we were gonna take him, i think they would want to know that he can make a big impact coming in and playing the WLB spot immediately.  I'm not sure if we would take him if we thought the rewards would come once he supplants TD.

 

If they take him here, it'll be because they believe he can.

 

In this case, the competition would be an old, slow guy and a fifth rounder with only one year's experience.

 

I do believe Shazier could be a day one starter, but again, he's not my ideal pick.

 

[rayzor]

With a later pick (though probably not), with a free agent, with a cut, with a trade, or - if you really and truly believe in them - with Byron Bell or Nate Chandler.

Could any of those be the wrong choice? Sure, but so could any tackle we take in the first.

Reaching makes that more likely.

we're going to find a franchise or even legit starting LT in FA or via trade? and how's that going to happen? with what cap space? if a guy is a legit. starting LT, he's not allowed to hit the market and if he does for some reason hit the market its going to be way out of our price range, esp. if we want to keep hardy and want to extend cam, keek, and star.

[Mr. Scot]

we're going to find a franchise or even legit starting LT in FA or via trade? and how's that going to happen? with what cap space? if a guy is a legit. starting LT, he's not allowed to hit the market and if he does for some reason hit the market its going to be way out of our price range, esp. if we want to keep hardy and want to extend cam, keek, and star.

 

I'll take that over reaching for need.

 

You make a mistake in one of those other areas, you've only messed up one spot.

 

Make the wrong draft pick by reaching for need, you've screwed yourself in two places (the guy you got and the guy you didn't).

 

[Sean Payton's Vicodin]

i hope it happens now just to see the meltdowns

 

also rayzor, weren't you the mod who was adamant about not drafting keuchly because we had beason?

[frash.exe]

Here we have a draft where all our major needs have plenty of talent available and yet we're still fretting over whether there will be a worthy pick at the end of the first somehow

[WOW!!]

Here we have a draft where all our major needs have plenty of talent available and yet we're still fretting over whether there will be a worthy pick at the end of the first somehow

That's what I don't get we have needs in 3 areas and this draft has them all.

[PFChangz]

runs happen. what if (and this is quite likely if it happened in the first) a run happens on the second/third tier OTs and/or we decide to go, yet again, another direction with the second round pick?

what's the plan for addressing LT or even RT?

 

I think I've come to understand that I agree with you in that if the first 3 rounds go by and we haven't picked up an OL I'll be sorely disappointed. Now where we disagree lies in how far we are willing to go to get that LT or RT. You're willing to snag one up no matter what the value is at 28 and I'm willing to wait until the second provided the talent isn't there at 28.

Now I don't want to get into "what if?"s because you can easily ask what if what you say doesn't happen and there is a decent prospect there in the second? To answer your question though, you do what you have to do and pick in the third. I'm not saying that's what I want to happen because I am confident there will be a decent LT or RT in the second. In the end its the draft and tough decisions need to be made.

I understand your willingness to sacrifice a lot in order to address a need. I just respectfully disagree. 

[PFChangz]

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[rayzor]

I think I've come to understand that I agree with you in that if the first 3 rounds go by and we haven't picked up an OL I'll be sorely disappointed. Now where we disagree lies in how far we are willing to go to get that LT or RT. You're willing to snag one up no matter what the value is at 28 and I'm willing to wait until the second provided the talent isn't there at 28.

Now I don't want to get into "what if?"s because you can easily ask what if what you say doesn't happen and there is a decent prospect there in the second? To answer your question though, you do what you have to do and pick in the third. I'm not saying that's what I want to happen because I am confident there will be a decent LT or RT in the second. In the end its the draft and tough decisions need to be made.

I understand your willingness to sacrifice a lot in order to address a need. I just respectfully disagree.

here's the thing, i totally disagree that you would be sacrificing "a lot" by passing up on shazier for one of the available options at LT, esp. i regards to overall impact on the team.

[WOW!!]

here's the thing, i totally disagree that you would be sacrificing "a lot" by passing up on shazier for one of the available options at LT, esp. i regards to overall impact on the team.

Yeah I don't see the big sacrifice here.