Panthers meet with Ryan Shazier

[Kuech the Sneak]

Uhh I guess I could live with it but woulda be a bit disappointed

[rayzor]

Give me a name. Any name. Who is this tackle that you believe can be a franchise player worth picking at 28?

koundijo or moses, but you aren't getting what my argument is.

if you don't address it now, how are you going to do it? when are you going to find these sure fire franchise LTs aside from the early part of the first round? this draft is as good as there has been for OT prospect in years. if you don't take a little gamble/risk (or maybe reach a little) to fill the role you need, what is your long term solution? juat sit and eait hoping that one will fall into your lap?

[4Corners]

Give me a name. Any name. Who is this tackle that you believe can be a franchise player worth picking at 28?

 

How many "franchise players" are actually picked in EACH draft? "Franchise players" don't grow on trees and aren't always selected in the first round. 

 

Speaking of "franchise players" - the Panthers already have one playing MLB. 

 

I think a lot of you youngins on here get caught up with that "sexy" pick during the draft. A famous LB from a very strong football brand in Ohio sounds a lot sexier than a fat olineman from virginia. 

[TheRed]

You remember when people thought the Giants were nuts for using high picks on defensive ends when they already had starters there?  Now, that defensive line gets a lot of credit for their Super Bowl victories.

 

It's not like taking Shazier would prevent us in any way from addressing other areas later in the draft, in free agency, via trade or final cuts.  None of those avenues close after May 8th.

 

Like I said, he's not my first choice.  I'm not arguing that Shazier could be the pick.  I am arguing that the highest value BPA should be the pick.  And if the team judges that to be Shazier, then that's the call.

 

I just can't get on board with reaching for need.

 

Why do the Giants keep getting brought up? Ask Eli Manning how he feels about having a quality OL.

[4Corners]

I wouldn't be surprised if Carolina took a DE like Kony Ealy, Dee Ford, or Demarcus Lawrence in the first round rather than Ryan Shazier. 

[4Corners]

Why do the Giants keep getting brought up? Ask Eli Manning how he feels about having a quality OL.

 

Ask his SB trophies.

[Mr. Scot]

koundijo or moses, but you aren't getting what my argument is.

if you don't address it now, how are you going to do it? when are you going to find these sure fire franchise LTs aside from the early part of the first round? this draft is as good as there has been for OT prospect in years. if you don't take a little gamble/risk (or maybe reach a little) to fill the role you need, what is your long term solution? juat sit and eait hoping that one will fall into your lap?

 

See, this is the crux of the whole argument.

 

If you believe those guys are franchise tackles, then yes you take them.

 

If you don't, then taking them in the first round isn't going to make them into franchise tackles.  What you wind up doing instead is passing on a better player for a guy who still doesn't fill a need because he's not that franchise guy. 

 

Final result then is that you pass on a guy who could've filled a roster spot for a decade for a guy who'll only be around for a couple before being relegated to a backup or just being outright let go (which puts you right back where you were before you drafted him),

 

It all ultimately rests on getting the evaluation right.

 

You can't substitute fool's gold for real gold and expect to sustain long term success.  What good does filling a need do if the guy you fill it with is mediocre?

 

[WOW!!]

Your history needs a little work.

Hangartner wasn't the starting center. Justin Hartwig was, and was already showing he wasn't worth his contract.

Mike Wahle and Jeremy Bridges started most of the year at guard. Hangartner was a backup. He started only four games (after someone else got injured, as I recall).

Foster was pre-Hurney.

Williams was a need pick. We wanted to get back to the 'two-headed monster' approach we'd lacked since Stephen Davis became unreliable.

Luke Kuechly? A good choice, and an argument for why you draft BPA. But no, it was not Hurney's consistent approach, and he reached for guys plenty (Everette Brown, Armanti Edwards, etc).

Oh no!!

You're right Justin was the center and Hangman was the top backup so there wasn't a need for Kali. Also like how you trying to paint Justin as a bad player to make a point. In reality he's gone on to have a strong career with the Chargers I think.

Foster wasn't pre Hurney because Hurney was here when he was drafted also Foster was a Hurney and Fox guy even thoe they didn't draft him. Again that doesn't explain drafting Stew 2 years after Dwill. Also mix Eric Shelton in there as well.

They were still trying to keep Pep when drafting E Brown. Also they had Brayton, CJ and( I could be wrong) Stanley McClover who they had high hopes for.

Point being you can't say Hurney drafted based on needs when half the time he drafted on keeping a strength strong as well.

[TheRed]

Ask his SB trophies.

 

I was referring to their bottom ranked OL last year, while he recovers from ankle surgery.

[4Corners]

See, this is the crux of the whole argument.

 

If you believe those guys are franchise tackles, then yes you take them.

 

If you don't, then taking them in the first round isn't going to make them into franchise tackles.  What you wind up doing instead is passing on a better player for a guy who still doesn't fill a need because he's not that franchise guy.

 

Final result then is that you pass on a guy who could've filled a roster spot for a decade for a guy who'll only be around for a couple before being relegated to a backup or just being outright let go (which puts you right back where you were before you drafted him),

 

It all ultimately rests on getting the evaluation right.

 

 

 

Agree with that and nobody on here knows what DG, RR, and the Panthers are thinking. We will know in 2 days. I still think they could end up picking a DE in the 1st or 2nd round. 

[4Corners]

I was referring to their bottom ranked OL last year, while he recovers from ankle surgery.

 

Well I'm with you on drafting an OL. They just better get the evaluation process correct. I will be floored if they pick Ryan Shazier or a player like him in the first round when we have such glaring needs at OL, CB, and WR. I think a logical case could be made that DE should be a priority over LB. 

[DaCityKats]

no way would i agree with a LB in the 1st round. Gettleman  did not take care of the needs and holes in free agency, for the team to go bpa especially at LB. again LB should be addressed in the mid-later rounds with guys like Telvin Smith, Van Noy, Zumwalt, Bradford, or Kirksey etc....

 

those guys could contribute just as much as Shaizer who could be had in the 2nd-5th rounds.

[rayzor]

You remember when people thought the Giants were nuts for using high picks on defensive ends when they already had starters there? Now, that defensive line gets a lot of credit for their Super Bowl victories.

It's not like taking Shazier would prevent us in any way from addressing other areas later in the draft, in free agency, via trade or final cuts. None of those avenues close after May 8th.

Like I said, he's not my first choice. I'm not arguing that Shazier could be the pick. I am arguing that the highest value BPA should be the pick. And if the team judges that to be Shazier, then that's the call.

I just can't get on board with reaching for need.

no raching allowed, regardless of how miniscule or the impact it would make to a very important part of your team that is very weak?

and i'm still left with the question of what makes you sure that we will address that in later rounds and are you ok with the very real possibility that it will be neglected yet another year and we'll have to go into anothwr season with piss poor run blocking and near death experiences for cam because we are relying on scraps for the OL?

just how long are you fine with weak parts on the team being overlooked so we can add to areas that are already loaded with talent?

[WOW!!]

Well I'm with you on drafting an OL. They just better get the evaluation process correct. I will be floored if they pick Ryan Shazier or a player like him in the first round when we have such glaring needs at OL, CB, and WR. I think a logical case could be made that DE should be a priority over LB.

This is the worst 4-3 De draft in the last few years. If the evaluation process is good. They will realize and notice avg. Prospect are only getting higher grades because there aren't many in this draft.