Darin Gantt's Panthers Draft Needs

[panthers55]

can we double tag

Yeah you can do it but you have to pay him either the average of the top guys or 120% of this year's salary in his second year and even more in the third year, 144% of his previous year's tag number. So effectively teams can tag a player two times before the cost gets exorbitant.

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8272422b/printable/new-wrinkles-to-franchise-tag-salary-cap-happened-for-reason

 

Here is a good synopsis.

[TheRed]

Meh, I've disagreed with Gettleman on a few things, but he made the right decision in tagging Hardy.

[WOW!!]

Not necessarily. You know that you need to maintain the front four, but you cannot afford to lose Hardy right now. 5 year contract or 1-year franchise tag?

Not re-signing the WRs and cutting Smitty did not send the positions to hell--signing them all and allowing Smitty to exercise his option would have sent our WR situation to hell. Look at the cap and tell me who he should have kept--then we will look at that player's productivity.

I do not see any other position going to hell. Sure, we need a T. Many teams do. We will address it, on our terms. Gettlemen is doing a great job.

I don't think losing Hardy would have been that big of a deal to our front 7. Specially with all the pass rushers who were on the market for cheaper. (Allen, Peppers, Ware, Tuck and others were out there as cheaper replacements).

Our Wr's and Tackle positions maybe the worst in the league now. I don't know what you think you're seeing when looking at these 2 roster spots?? But I don't think there is a team in the league in a worst situation at those 2 positions. So saying those positions went to hell is a accurate statement.

[WOW!!]

Meh, I've disagreed with Gettleman on a few things, but he made the right decision in tagging Hardy.

I agree if he signs him to a long term deal and gets talent in the draft at WR and OT position.

But if he doesn't get a long term deal with Hardy and uses a early pick in the draft to find his replacement. It will be a complete fug up by Gettelmen.

[AceBoogie]

I think it's hilarious Gantt has the same attitude about WRs as this franchise has had for the last several years.

 

"Yeah, it's a problem....but let's fix _________ first".

 

Eventually, we have to seriously address the issue.

 

 

(sorry for the triple post).

Yea it's a problem, so lets get rid of everyone that caught a pass last year......and improve the position in a few years.

[WOW!!]

I would rather have 2 solid starters on the line, maybe another weapon for Cam if we had the money, than tagging Hardy. Our offense is going nowhere with this terrible line.

Agreed. If he doesn't get a long-term deal with Hardy and it ends up as a 1 year rental. Gettelmen fuged up.

[MHS831]

Tagging Hardy made our oline go to hell. We didn't have enough money to sign free agents that would've really helped our line and also weapons for Cam that are more than just barely above average at best.

 

Are you assuming that we would have been players in free agency?  Gettlemen already said that we would not.  He thought it was worth it to tag hardy for a year so he could be in better position to deal with the problem in 2015.

 

We are not going to go after LTs in free agency right now-Did you think we would?  That would be counterproductive.  What if we preserve the line, address the other weaknesses on the Line, and use a FB or TE to chip the RDE for a season?  Then we draft someone we want instead of overpaying for mediocre talent (any LT who willingly hits Free agency is either too expensive or not worth it.) 

 

If you let Hardy walk, spend the money on Collins and and a WR, are we better off?  Hell no.  Does $13 million buy Gettlemen time until CJ's contract is maneuverable and Hardy's play confirmed?  Yes.  This decision did not impact our LT or WR situation.  It was a Hurney mistake that Gettlemen is having to navigate around, based on the ridiculous deal he gave Johnson.  Gettlemen is playing it perfectly considering the cards Marty left for him to play.

 

 

[Panthro]

Yeah you can do it but you have to pay him either the average of the top guys or 120% of this year's salary in his second year and even more in the third year, 144% of his previous year's tag number. So effectively teams can tag a player two times before the cost gets exorbitant.

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8272422b/printable/new-wrinkles-to-franchise-tag-salary-cap-happened-for-reason

 

Here is a good synopsis.

 

Better sign Newton long term

[La Pantera]

CJ will be done after this season, if he doesnt take a major restructure. love the dude but he is making crazy...CRAZY money the next couple seasons. getting a new DE has much more to do with CJ than hardy. soon as they get out from under CJs money they can pay GH. then you have only one DE with big money. and one on a rookie contract. btw im not advocating taking a DE in the first....id hate it. but i can see where it could save cap going forward.

[MHS831]

I don't think losing Hardy would have been that big of a deal to our front 7. Specially with all the pass rushers who were on the market for cheaper. (Allen, Peppers, Ware, Tuck and others were out there as cheaper replacements).

Our Wr's and Tackle positions maybe the worst in the league now. I don't know what you think you're seeing when looking at these 2 roster spots?? But I don't think there is a team in the league in a worst situation at those 2 positions. So saying those positions went to hell is a accurate statement.

 

That was the decision he had to make.  There was no guarantee that he would sign Tuck, Allen, or Ware.  Besides, Hardy was the #1 DE in free agency.  Lose him, get into a bidding war for replacement talent--isn;t that about what led to the Johnson deal Hurney brokered?  Hurney had lost Peppers and became paranoid that Atlanta would scoop up CJ, so they over paid. Lose Hardy and see what happens to the defense.

 

Boy, I wish we had paid Lafell, Ginn, and Smith about $15 million to duplicate their productivity from 2013.  Locked them down for the next 2-3 years.  We would be awesome then.

[WOW!!]

That was the decision he had to make. There was no guarantee that he would sign Tuck, Allen, or Ware. Besides, Hardy was the #1 DE in free agency. Lose him, get into a bidding war for replacement talent--isn;t that about what led to the Johnson deal Hurney brokered? Hurney had lost Peppers and became paranoid that Atlanta would scoop up CJ, so they over paid. Lose Hardy and see what happens to the defense.

Boy, I wish we had paid Lafell, Ginn, and Smith about $15 million to duplicate their productivity from 2013. Locked them down for the next 2-3 years. We would be awesome then.

I wish we could have kept Mitchell and Ginn and bettered the offer to Collins and Nicks. All could have been done with money left over from tagging Hardy.

But Gettelmen choose that route to make sure he can keep the best De in Fa not rent him on a prove it deal.

I'm still waiting for you to tell me what team has ever rented a player for 13 million dollars and it was considered a good move??

You can be blind to the facts but if Gettelmen doesn't get a long-term deal with Hardy. Knowing what he was sacrifice to a attempt it. Imo is a complete fug up.

Then to pile on the fug up and take a DE in early is crazy.

[KendrickPanther]

I would be fine with a DE or DT in rounds 3-5. Part of our Dlines success last year was having a great rotation with Dwan, Cole, Horton, Alexander, etc. What people forget about our DLine from 2002-2005 was all the great reserves we had. Guys like Shane Burton, Al Wallace, Kindal Moorehead, Kemp Rasmussen, and Jordan Carstens.

[Khaki Lackey]

can we double tag

You can't triple tag a double tag.

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[TylerVagyler]

Are you assuming that we would have been players in free agency?  Gettlemen already said that we would not.  He thought it was worth it to tag hardy for a year so he could be in better position to deal with the problem in 2015.

 

We are not going to go after LTs in free agency right now-Did you think we would?  That would be counterproductive.  What if we preserve the line, address the other weaknesses on the Line, and use a FB or TE to chip the RDE for a season?  Then we draft someone we want instead of overpaying for mediocre talent (any LT who willingly hits Free agency is either too expensive or not worth it.) 

 

If you let Hardy walk, spend the money on Collins and and a WR, are we better off?  Hell no.  Does $13 million buy Gettlemen time until CJ's contract is maneuverable and Hardy's play confirmed?  Yes.  This decision did not impact our LT or WR situation.  It was a Hurney mistake that Gettlemen is having to navigate around, based on the ridiculous deal he gave Johnson.  Gettlemen is playing it perfectly considering the cards Marty left for him to play.

 

This part you are completely right. 

 

I just think it's crazy when you say WR and OT aren't the biggest needs right now. Yes, drafting a DE would be helping that position in the future but how can you sit back and look at WR and OT and feel ok about the future there? The depth guys at DE are much better than the depth guys at WR/OT. Plus, the new DE will have 3 studs lined up beside him. We have mediocrity everywhere at the other 2 positions. 

 

Ok....we can find some bargains to match the WRs production of last year....but we had the 27th ranked offense. It's not like we are matching greatness with the guys we signed. The WRs were decent last year. They are decent right now. So we just move on to address future problems?