Darin Gantt's Panthers Draft Needs

[jtnc]

We sacrificed our entire team to tag Hardy, and now you're telling me you .can't get a deal done?

[thennek]

I thought it was interesting that Gantt stated that the Panthers have reasonable concern about giving Hardy 'former 6th rounder' a gigantic long term deal'.  If that is the case, why did they franchise him?

[jtnc]

We can franchise Hardy next year for 15.5 million so there is no reason we can't keep him for at least another year When he figures out we don't have to sign him to CJ money to get him to produce at a contract year level he might be more reasonable in getting a deal done. He is chomping at the bit to make big money, maybe he will make a team friendly deal given he will be still be set for life.

In the end getting him on a 2 year deal for 28 million and nothing up front isn't bad. Lets see if he wants to sign next year as well. That is how I hopes it goes. Unless he falls off and then he will sign a deal with no problem if we want him.

Been there, done that.

[TylerVagyler]

I think most of what we are hearing is just speculation. I think it's crazy to already assume they won't reach a deal.

[Icege]

The only thing that Gantt knows is the pain of a high school girl that wasn't selected to be prom queen

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[TylerVagyler]

Another thing, people keep saying drafting a DE would be "drafting for the future". 

 

Why aren't we "drafting for the future" at WR or OT? Why should those positions be put on the back burner when we are much deeper at DE?

 

I know BPA is the strategy but I'd be shocked if Ealy is the BPA when we're on the clock.

[MHS831]

Then Gettelmen fuged up and should have never tagged Hardy. If we take a DE after overhauling WR and losing Gross. Then it was a mistake.

 

  Gantt explains it very well.  We are not locking down 2 DEs at premium prices.  That is stupid.  In 2015, you can still lock down Hardy and doing something with CJ is easier to deal with.

 

SIgning Hardy to a long-term deal right now is very dumb--THAT would be fugging up, in my opinion.  I felt that he would not do it, he has not done it, and I am happy about it.  If we draft a DE early it is because he realizes that you have to have pass rush in this defense but you cannot spend too much on that pass rush.

 

Gross' retirement hurt us, but our defense is the golden goose around here--make no mistake about that.  If you think WR and OT are bigger priorities, you are wrong.  Sure, we need a LOT, as do 16 other NFL teams.  Yes, we got rid of mediocre WRs.  Wah.  Time to improve there with a great WR draft.  Getting fiscally smart at DE and having an awesome pass rush helps this team in the long term more than reaching for a rookie LT.

 

I see your point, but I see Gettlemen's logic.  One is impatient and concerned only with the now., the other is patient and sound.

[panthers55]

Been there, done that.

The difference is that with Peppers he already got a big contract as a rookie.  Hardy hasn't made big money, he wants a big paycheck.  He just needs to know we will tag him again next year in order to get him to sign a long term deal here.  He wants a long term deal, he just overvalues his worth.  Let him prove it again and he might be worth a big contract.  Especially if we have to let Johnson go because he won't restructure.

[UpstatePanther]

Then Gettelmen fuged up and should have never tagged Hardy. If we take a DE after overhauling WR and losing Gross. Then it was a mistake.

 

its for this reason that i foresee a deal getting done by the deadline. we may still draft a potential replacement, in fact we probably will. it gives the Panthers leverage in contract talks with both Hardy and Johnson. Gettleman doesnt make rash decisions, which is what tagging Hardy would be if no deal gets done. it was a calculated move to give the team more time to work out a contract with the man. drafting a serviceable DE will help accomplish this. in Gettleman i trust...

[UpstatePanther]

We sacrificed our entire team to tag Hardy

 

thats a bit of a reach, dont you think?

[TylerVagyler]

  Gantt explains it very well.  We are not locking down 2 DEs at premium prices.  That is stupid.  In 2015, you can still lock down Hardy and doing something with CJ is easier to deal with.

 

SIgning Hardy to a long-term deal right now is very dumb--THAT would be fugging up, in my opinion.  I felt that he would not do it, he has not done it, and I am happy about it.  If we draft a DE early it is because he realizes that you have to have pass rush in this defense but you cannot spend too much on that pass rush.

 

Gross' retirement hurt us, but our defense is the golden goose around here--make no mistake about that.  If you think WR and OT are bigger priorities, you are wrong.  Sure, we need a LOT, as do 16 other NFL teams.  Yes, we got rid of mediocre WRs.  Wah.  Time to improve there with a great WR draft.  Getting fiscally smart at DE and having an awesome pass rush helps this team in the long term more than reaching for a rookie LT.

 

I see your point, but I see Gettlemen's logic.  One is impatient and concerned only with the now., the other is patient and sound.

 

I trust in what Gettleman does on draft day. If the best player available is a DE and he Gman take him then so be it. But to say DE is a bigger need than WR or OT is absurd. 

[klumme]

Another thing, people keep saying drafting a DE would be "drafting for the future". 

 

Why aren't we "drafting for the future" at WR or OT? Why should those positions be put on the back burner when we are much deeper at DE?

 

I know BPA is the strategy but I'd be shocked if Ealy is the BPA when we're on the clock.

 

Drafting a DE high could also mean thinking about the future at OT or WR.

 

Some teams just want veteran players on some positions. Drafting a DE would allow us to free up some money in the future and maybe we could use them on a OT or WR etc.

 

So instead of paying both CJ and GH 13-15 million a year in years to come, you pay one and have a cheap young DE on the other side freeing up money for other positions.  This is pretty much the essence of the BPA idea.

[Panthro]

We can franchise Hardy next year for 15.5 million so there is no reason we can't keep him for at least another year.  When he figures out we don't have to sign him to CJ money to get him to produce at a contract year level he might be more reasonable in getting a deal done.  He is chomping at the bit to make big money, maybe he will make a team friendly deal given he will be still be set for life. 

In the end getting him on a 2 year deal for 28 million and nothing up front isn't bad.  Lets see if he wants to sign next year as well.  That is how I hopes it goes.  Unless he falls off and then he will sign a deal with no problem if we want him.

 

can we double tag

[WOW!!]

Gantt explains it very well. We are not locking down 2 DEs at premium prices. That is stupid. In 2015, you can still lock down Hardy and doing something with CJ is easier to deal with.

SIgning Hardy to a long-term deal right now is very dumb--THAT would be fugging up, in my opinion. I felt that he would not do it, he has not done it, and I am happy about it. If we draft a DE early it is because he realizes that you have to have pass rush in this defense but you cannot spend too much on that pass rush.

Gross' retirement hurt us, but our defense is the golden goose around here--make no mistake about that. If you think WR and OT are bigger priorities, you are wrong. Sure, we need a LOT, as do 16 other NFL teams. Yes, we got rid of mediocre WRs. Wah. Time to improve there with a great WR draft. Getting fiscally smart at DE and having an awesome pass rush helps this team in the long term more than reaching for a rookie LT.

I see your point, but I see Gettlemen's logic. One is impatient and concerned only with the now., the other is patient and sound.

Then we shouldn't have done that this year. We could've signed players and not let 2 to 3 positions go to hell. For the money we allocated to Hardy.

When Gettelmen tagged Hardy he said having more time getting a long term deal with Hardy was the reason for doing it.