Greg Hardy advance

[AceBoogie]

Hardy is a me first type of guy, he was the one not showing up last year. I know it's voluntarily, but when a team that's bitching about the cap, throws you a whole lot of money then you need to show up. Sure as hell showed up for every sports show in America.

[top dawg]

If Hardy balls out this year, CJ gets cut and Hardy takes on a CJ level contract if he's willing to stay. It's going to suck losing Big Money (if it happens), but there's too much cap savings there to pay both of them. Give me the younger guy. 

 

What?

 

Give me the most consistent guy!  

 

CJ has been the model for consistency once he obtained the starting role. But for injury last year, he probably would have been right there with Hardy.  Like it or not, I feel more confident with CJ than any other player on defense aside from maybe the newcomer, Luke. Furthermore, we're only talking a two year difference in reference to age.  CJ still has plenty of good years left.  His high motor hasn't sputtered yet.

[t96]

If we were going to attempt to trade Hardy then why would we be advancing his salary? WIth no advance, if a trade succeeds at some point later in the off-season then his next team would be responsible for his full contract. But if we're paying him 1.3 now, that money wouldn't be reimbursed to us or credited to our cap if he's traded, right? That 1.3 million would, in essence, be dead money. So, all that is to say that Hardy's either playing this year under the tag or we'll reach a long term deal. A trade now doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

 

If we trade him before offseason workouts (i.e during the draft) then we wouldn't owe him a dime.

[neverlosethefeeling]

If we trade him before offseason workouts (i.e during the draft) then we wouldn't owe him a dime.

 

So that'd have to happen pretty quickly then. I still say that if the goal is to trade him in a time frame that would allow us to vacate his entire salary from the books then this move doesn't make much sense.

[UpstatePanther]

 

When Panthers defensive end Greg Hardypounced on his one-year, $13.1 million franchise tender, he left open the possibility of staying away from voluntary offseason workouts for leverage in talks toward a long-term deal.

He won’t be staying away, and the Panthers have given him $1.3 million reasons to show up.

Per a league source, the Panthers and Hardy have agreed to formula pursuant to which Hardy can earn an advance of $1.3 million by showing up for the full offseason program.  Hardy will get paid by the week throughout the offseason program.

Absent such an arrangement, Hardy wouldn’t have gotten any of his $13.1 million until September.  So he can make roughly 10 percent of his 2014 salary now, simply by doing that which he already had an incentive to do — prepare to have a monster season in advance of hitting the market.  (Unless, of course, the Panthers choose to tag him again in 2015, at $15.72 million.)

For a guy who completed a slotted sixth-round contract, $1.3 million matches the most he has made in any of his four NFL seasons.

It’s technically a restructuring of Hardy’s contract.  A second restructuring will be permitted only if the cap number goes down or stays the same, which won’t be an issued if/when a long-term deal is negotiated.  Typically, franchise players see their cap numbers drop when a long-term deal is signed, thanks to the proration of signing bonus money.

Hardy and the Panthers have until July 15 to strike a long-term contract.  Otherwise, he will play in 2014 under the one-year franchise tender.

The deal makes plenty of sense.  The Panthers will have him present for the offseason program, Hardy will be preparing for the season, he’ll get a nice chunk of money now in order to do so, and he’s ultimately protected against any injury that could happen in the offseason because his full $13.1 million salary is guaranteed.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/04/28/greg-hardy-will-get-up-to-1-3-million-advance-for-participating-in-offseason-program/

 

 

in other words... look for the Panthers to draft a serviceable DE to use as leverage against Hardy to reach a long term contract...

[bleys]

these situations often tell more about the fans than the players... 

[Riverboat Ron]

Kraken is burning through the money, already bought a Maserati and tons of fancy watches. 

[MHS831]

Why on Earth would Gettlemen sign Greg Hardy to a long-term deal now?  He won't save any money unless he back loads the deal, and Hardy's agent would not allow an deal with unguaranteed money backloaded.  Hardy's stock has never been higher; he only stands to lose money by playing 2014 if he is insisting on a $60m deal now.  That is top dollar.  Matching Hurney deals is never smart, by the way.

 

By allowing Hardy to play in 2014, Gettlemen has several options.  1. Hardy could have a down season, lowering his price tag.  2. Hardy could have a great year, showing Gettlemen that Hardy is indeed worth the money.  3.  Johnson's contract is more negotiable/flexible/expendable in 2015 than in 2014,  Finally, Gettlemen can take a year to try to find a player to replace the DE he most certainly won't be keeping in 2015.

 

Signing Hardy when his price is at the top of the scale is not only stupid, it eliminates options.  It means that you have to cut or trade CJ next year, regardless of 2014 performance.  What if Hardy gets paid and disappears?  Gettlemen is no fool.  I would be shocked if Hardy signs a long-term deal on his terms by July 15.  Ain't gonna happen.

[Draconus]

While I hate this, I can't say I blame him.  He played for "pennies" for the last 3-4 seasons, I remember the year before last he retweeted someone that said Armanti was making 2-3x as much as him that year and had played for 2 snaps.

[DaCityKats]

I really just look at it as a workout bonus.

[Ken]

Not a big deal IMO. Good move for both sides.

Think its obvious that he's not getting traded.

[Creepster]

If Hardy balls out this year, CJ gets cut and Hardy takes on a CJ level contract if he's willing to stay. It's going to suck losing Big Money (if it happens), but there's too much cap savings there to pay both of them. Give me the younger guy. 

 

 G man isnt Hurney and wont pay anyome that kind of money.

[pantherclaw]

I love how fans take negative things from some that in itself, isn't negative.

I think anybody that still have dreams if a trade, are foolish.

They'll agree to a long term contract, or he WILL play under his franchise tag contract.

[Rise of The Hive]

Yep it's not looking good at least not right now.