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Just a 'best case' scenario here for us on an upward trajectory...

Pick #8 in 2021 - CMC level

Pick #24 in 2022 - Shaq level

Pick #28 in 2023 - Vernon Butler level

If you wouldn't trade those 3 players for a Top 5 franchise QB, welp.  And yes, we could draft HOF unicorns with all 3 of those firsts, just like we could draft Ryan Leaf level busts for the next 3 drafts.  If the price is 3 1st rounders and that's it, no brainer call it in.  If it's 3 firsts AND players, then it's a potential issue. 

Good hire beyond the connecting the dots stuff, and our probable OC when Brady bolts. 

Doesn't help to sweeten the pot in Watson's eyes, either.  Hell, let's just get to a point where he's demanding to only play for the Panthers. 

Teddy is 1,000% the starter Week 1 anyway unless we pull magic out of our asses and get Deshaun, Dak, or Trevor Lawrence. 

Every other scenario has Teddy starting, with a rookie hopefully taking over after our BYE week. So I'll be drunk and yelling angry things about Theodore in Week 1. 

Been screaming this.  Unless something WILD happens, 4 QBs going in the Top 10 is rare.  Hell, 3 is rare.  

Dream world we get Deshaun.  Reality world...sit at 8 and let the draft fall to us. 

Teddy for Chase Young straight up, Marty.  You have 10 seconds to decide. 

1 minute ago, electro's horse said:

Meaning he's not getting traded. 

Second most valuable thing in football is a pass rusher like him. 

I think you protect Moton (someone has to block), Moore (someone has to catch), Burns/Brown/Chinn (that's the defense)

anyone else? go hog wild. 

This.  These are the 5 untouchables to me.  I'd say CMC gets thrown in as well, despite the lack of positional value.  Can't see the team wanting to take another PR hit by trading their only marketable star that casual fans still have a connection to. Not the smartest football, move, no...but from the business side CMC isn't leaving. 

I also don't think players are even that big of a deal in a trade like this.  It's not like the NBA where 2-3 players get tossed in to even the cap, contracts can be changed to make that work.  The Texans will probably just want a shitload of picks, and whichever team backs up the biggest truck wins.

We have a new GM coming from a team that wasn't scared to trade for a big name.

We have an owner who supposedly isn't afraid of "splash" moves.

We have a coach who may just outright hate Teddy B. 

We have a fanbase who even AT BEST, says "meh" to Teddy. 

It all adds up to going all in on Deshaun should the Texans listen. 

I'll be playing it on my Xbox One.

I'm screwed. 

I hope we keep 8-9 WRs this year because screw it, I'm going to hate losing some of those dudes. 

Really pulling for Garrett. Impress a little in camp, and he's our 5th WR. Doubt we'll be able to PS him because some WR needy team will snatch him up.

IF this is JStew's last year here, as his age and contract could become factors...you also can't overlook his injury history as it pertains to THIS season.

Point blank, I think we got lucky with Stew playing 14 games or so last year. I still can't trust him, and I doubt DG can either. That's one reason I can talk myself into Henry in the 1st. 

While a trade down is the obvious pie in the sky scenario a lot of times....don't underestimate teams wanting the 5th year option for rookies. Think of the situation we're in right now with Star and KK. 

At 30, IF Gettleman hits another home run....we'd have that player on the cheap for 5 years....not 4 years and then paying him upwards of 10 million. Could mean a lot to the Panthers with the amount of guys we have to sign over the next couple of years, and the Cam/Luke contracts ending around that time. 

That 14th pick would net us a nice player...hmmm.  IF a trade were to go down for the Raiders 1st

14th pick - Best DE/OT/Treadwell

30th pick - Eli Apple/Kendall Fuller

5th year options on both players selected, and the saved cap space right now. Or even trade up into the Top 10. 

Vs.

"Possibly" only one more year of Norman. 

A trade for a 1st is beyond a longshot...but I know which scenario I'm choosing. 

15 hours ago, Panthers8969 said:

And chances are neither of those picks would play as well as norman. I don't understand the people that want to trade him for picks. 

I want Norman here, but if somebody offered even a 1st rounder? Fax it in.

Why? You're not only getting that pick, you're getting that cap space. Just say Norman ended up with a 3 year, 45 million dollar deal. Now you're telling me I can have 15 million extra in cap space for the next 3 years, plus another 1st rounder?  Easy decision to me with the options it presents. You lock up younger guys here, go shopping for FA's, grab a highly rated rookie for "free" with the extra pick, or could pull off a trade if need be. I love Norman and want him here...but if the right trade was ever offered, there are only a few guys on the roster that aren't on the trade block.  Norman ain't one of 'em.

I don't blame Josh for wanting to get his contract. I do blame him for his outrageous opinion of himself (Top 5 All-Time? Come on, Norman.)

I don't blame the Panthers for not wanting to give him big money long-term. He's a CB, who has proven himself for 1.5 seasons, "aging", has a bit of diva in him, and frankly we've won with a no name secondary before.

Obviously I'd love a strong secondary, and Norman to stay long term, but I've never seen it happening. KK and Star are more important hands down. Hell, Kony could prove to be more important. If anything, give him monster numbers for 2 years or so if the team thinks he's that important....take it or leave it. My money is on Getts in this showdown, no matter the outcome. 

Would love Hunter Henry on this team. Extra weapon, great blocking, and his NFL comp is Witten. If he's half that good, it's a steal.

I can't see DG trading up in the 2nd ONLY because of how deep the DL talent is in the draft. Not saying he won't, just that I can't see it. Wouldn't hate a trade up, though, since it's going to be tougher than usual to make the team this year and a bunch of rookies might not stick.

If he can cut out the occasional dumb penalty, he's going to be not only a force, but a consistent one with Ron's trust. 

Keep Pounding and just win

I just don't see any way Seattle loses this now.

Good news for us...they're going to be hurting all week from this game, and then get to go against a rested and hungry defense. 

Adrian Peterson you fumbling fug

Dammit, Captain. 

Minny needs a turnover...don't let RW stay around long enough to pull a lucky BS play.

Pacman Jones just posted a rant on Instagram basically saying "fug the refs".

If he, or Burfict, play another down for the Bengals...yeah...you deserve everything, Cincy. 

Remember when some here wanted Burfict?  Good times. 

May have been said, but our WR's YAC also ranks dead last in the league (or close to it).  Could be attributed to some of Cam's "lack" of passing yards...and obviously the drops.