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Today has been a GREAT day for the defense

Was scared we would sign Reddick to a long contract/big contract based on his production in his contract year.  But this? Essentially another prove it deal where he either proves it and stays, signs elsewhere for big money and nets us a comp pick, or sucks and is gone after a year?  

Perfect 

With a prevailing thought being guys signing short deals to cash in when the cap goes up, that should be our pitch to Samuel.  Hey, come on back for a year at a fair rate, go get rich next year.

Where we'll then also have a better chance to pick between re-signing him and Robby.  If Curtis can get paid this offseason though, go get your money.  I'll happily take the 3rd round comp pick...unless we screw that up. 

Why not have both *troll face*

I'd rather go BPA at 8 than Mac which de facto means Teddy Two Gloves is my pick I guess.  It's hard to fathom taking Mac at 8 to me, but I'd TRY to trust the staff and hope for the best.  I think they'd be idiots...but I also thought Herbert would suck, so who knows. 

Even if we overpay a bit this year, might be smart to do before the market on OT's gets reset next year once news of the cap jumping again breaks. 

All things considered, shocking we've had the amount of "success" we did in 20 years when we were so obviously hamstrung in a lot of ways by the owner/GM/coaching choices. 

Don't get Breer's thinking on Watson happening "suddenly and quietly".  Sure, the deal will be agreed to suddenly, but it's been anything but sudden and quiet.  If the Texans don't have Plan A, B, C, D, etc. thought of by now, that organization truly is more worthless than what it's shown. 

Would make some sense.  This year will be a purge due to Covid, then the big new TV money will hit in the next couple of years and contracts balloon again. 

If Fields falls past ATL at 4, I feel like we HAVE to move to 5.  Unless we like Lance and think he's at 8, 5 is the easiest trade up spot to swallow capital wise that may allow us to keep our 2nd. 

Much rather Brees come back and be a worse version of 2015 Peyton Manning than the Saints to back their way into Russell Wilson. 

Not to mention, more guys get cut to re-sign Brees who won't play for free?  Sounds good

40 minutes ago, WarPanthers89 said:

Hog Mollies rounds 2-7. No specific names...just fatties who can block and I’m thrilled 

This. I'm not about to pretend I know dick about some 4th round OG from Ohio State...but I want them all. Throw enough crap at the wall until we get a great OL again. 

1a and 1b are Watson and Lawrence on his rookie deal. If Lawrence is the real deal, he's the easy #1 answer. The safety of Watson being proven evens it out for now. 

Then Russell Wilson due to age & cost

Zach Wilson & Sam Howell are great, but don't belong in the same convo as the other 3 right now

Been saying it, but Tepper will not be outbid IMO.  Doesn't mean Watson is coming here, but for all the "we don't have the same capital" talk when it comes to the Jets and Dolphins...I don't think it matters.  Tepper's hard-on is real, and if Deshaun becomes available no team is offering more than us.  If Burns is the make or break piece for instance, I think Tepper will say meh, he's due a contract in a couple years anyway, bye. 

Which yes, is scary.  But we have an owner who wants to drop his balls on the table in a franchise statement move, a GM coming from a team who traded 2 first rounders for a safety and isn't afraid to wheel and deal, and a coach who's known for coaching up lesser guys.  It's a perfect storm where the thought process is probably hey, get a QB and we'll figure the rest out later. 

If it's not done by the week of the draft, it ain't happening.

If the deal involves Burns or Chinn, it (hopefully) ain't happening. 

I wouldn't expect anything to happen until AT LEAST early April if Houston plans on taking a QB this year in the draft. They'll scout/vet the prospects, talk, talk some more, decide.  Expecting a Watson trade now, or in March, or even very early April isn't realistic. 

1 hour ago, Peon Awesome said:

This...

Well I'm happy for the people who will be excited for the Panthers in 2021 if we trade multiple picks for Fields (or Wilson or whoever). But if they end up busting or even being in the range of someone like Sam Darnold or Daniel Jones, cause let's be honest, that's FAR more likely than them becoming elite franchise-changing qbs

Then...this...?

probably make Teddy look half way decent to something along a 9-7 season and then throw our chips in the middle a la Kansas City for our franchise qb in 2022. 

You're mad we might throw our chips in the middle this year, but then it's okay the next year based on the hope we draft well this year? Then we trade in 2022 coming off a better record, and higher cost to get a rookie QB?  The Chiefs went from 27 to 10 at the cost of an extra first rounder and 3rd.  Imagine the cost if they would've had to get into the top 5 in a QB heavy draft like this one. 

This year, for us to go from 8 to 3...it might cost an extra first rounder and a 3rd? What's it matter if we do it this year or next? If we have a guy we like, go get him. In your same scenario ala Kansas City on a better team, we could still draft Darnold or Daniel Jones (at a higher cost) and lock our 9-7 team into mediocrity or worse.  Whether this year or next year, the team is going to have holes. How many teams are "set", have drafted well for years, AND THEN go draft their QB like the Chiefs did?  Not exactly a blueprint we can follow anyway when all we would have to do is draft one of the most talented QBs of all time that others pass on, sit him a year, and have him come in throwing no look TDs.  The Chiefs are an outlier, not a plan. 

Any trade that allows us to keep our defense, get rid of a couple of bad contracts, and a one year deal in Robby (who cares)...I'm listening.  The deals where we give up Burns/Chinn/Brown are the offers I'd have to hang up on. 

That said, put it elsewhere...but I have a hard time imagining Tepper getting outbid.  If the Texans make Watson available and ask for the moon, Tepper's hard-on may give them the moon.  

Mariotta is the name I've seen with New England.  Cost wise, he may be the better gamble than Teddy.  Teddy makes them respectable again, but they're not beating the Bills. 

23 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

There's a reason why we're so fixated on Watson. We're basically sitting in a spot where we're going to have to trade the farm to land a QB so we might as well trade it for an established MVP caliber QB rather than rolling the dice on trading for a pick to draft a rookie.

Honestly, it's looking more and more like we're not likely to land the answer this off-season. We're going to end up with a Minshew or Trubisky and we'll likely be having this conversation next year about Howell, Rattler, and Shough.

It's part of the reason I've never understood people willing to trade up in the draft at a cost of 2 firsts+ for a rookie, instead of 3 firsts+ for Watson.  If you're swinging for the fence, take the sure thing at the higher cost and move on. 

Not landing Watson either causes us to panic trade to #3 for a guy we may not love, start another mediocre QB and we're in the same spot next year having to trade up, or we outright suck by starting Grier/PJ and go backwards.  Knowing that, I don't think there's a team that will outbid us for Watson.  Tepper has a hard on for him, Fitterer comes from Seattle where 2 firsts were tossed out for a safety...nobody is outbidding us if it comes to it IMO. 

The Washington game is the easy one to point to, but I'd like to forever curse Austin Ekler for dropping the wide open and game-winning lateral in the Chargers game. 

The Dolphins are in such a good spot. IF the Falcons want Fields, I honestly think they'll have to move to 3 to get him.  The Dolphins could realistically drop from 3 to 4, while grabbing say a 3rd/4th rounder for their trouble of moving one spot.  Then field calls from us, the Eagles, or whoever else for #4 if somebody wants Lance there. Grab even more picks for trading down just a couple more spots, and still get the top WR or whoever they want.

Must be nice having the 3rd pick. 

FWIW, Shaq still follows the Panthers on Twitter.  As well as a LONG list of OnlyFans girls, porn stars, and possible questionable ladies.  Thanks for the follow ideas, Shaq!

We all love cap space, but there's no reason to get drunk on it just yet.  Especially by kicking the can down the road and leaving ourselves with dead cap year after year after year.  

You restructure players you want to keep around a couple more years, or when you're desperate. We shouldn't be desperate since we're not a contender, and we sure as poo shouldn't want Teddy around any longer than he has to be.