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I think part of my hesitation in getting him is that I just want to stay away from that family. His mom just seems weird. She wants her kids in the West Coast and I think they're a family of momma's boys. Also, I think it would be really weird for us to go after him, like we can't move on from the past. The whole thought just makes me uncomfortable. There's just too many other good choices available that I'd rather get without the weird baggage.

This wasn't a very good TE FA class. Better to spend resources on better players at other positions than just to grab a joe and throw him in because we have a hole. If we don't upgrade in FA, but we keep building like we are, we're likely to get a better TE in the draft than we would have had we settled for meh talent in FA. The way we improved so many other positions makes this not a huge concern for me.

Sure why not? Especially if reasonably priced. Makes for an even better WR room. If we're not careful we'll look like we've got an actual pro team. Adding him and clowney would make us look like the team we should have been if we hadn't been so dumb for so long. Then we can walk into the draft and actually go BPA.

Just curious about something

Some people just like to argue over the tiniest of matters, like myself. Letting myself get sucked into stupid arguments. Bah...

Ok. Sorry. Silly and insignificant discussion. Someone calls him elite. You don't agree. It's all opinion. Why does it matter what someone's version of elite means when the topic is Morgan knows what good players look like?

No one is saying he was good at what he did with the trades. He was a master of the deal who knew poo about personnel. You can be both. Lots of good salesmen don't know what the hell they are talking about. He was great at working the phone and making deals. You want extra picks or someone to get on the phone and get a player you want? He's your guy. You want someone deciding on which personnel to draft or move...he's NOT your guy.

This. He was elite. One of the best of his era. Not necessarily HoF level, but still elite at a time where the MLB was more of a premium position. But I guess it all depends on someone's standards as elite. To me, you can be among the very best at your position in your era, but still not quite be good enough for the HoF. That's just a higher bar.

Gotcha. Still holds true for this class. Even DE/Edge seems really deep.

This class is abnormally deep in a lot of positions. Guys that would be first rounders in most other years will be slipping to 2nd or even third rounds. And I'm not going to base what we do this year on what we've typically done, because we aren't doing really anything typically so far with Morgan running it.

I'll admit to being happy with Rhule initially and then Fitt. I'll admit to being wrong about them. The thing, though, that Fitt did incredibly well was make draft day trades that first year. That was fun to watch. He just didn't have the right set of goggles to choose the best players. At the time analytics was all the rage so we jumped in. I jumped in. It was just a phase and I think we've all just realized that there's nothing like trusting the eyes of people who truly know the game.

True, but that also frees up a lot of future cap. I'm just saying it would be hard to outright deny it if some comes knocking. Especially after what we experienced with the Burns situation.

I don't think it has anything to do with Clowney or Young. Especially Clowney. Our pass rush sucked last year. We only had 4 players with more than one sack. Burns, YGM, Luvu, and Brown...and Brown only had 2. We need more pass rushers. I think we're still seriously interested in Clowney. If we don't get Clowney, expect Edge to be a priority in the draft. Even with Clowney, id expect us to pick up maybe Xavier Thomas from Clemson. Il tell you, though, Chaisson has a lot of potential that he never had a chance to live up to in jaxville. He was an edge/LB at LSU but in jaxville they stuck him in as a DE in a 4-3. It was just an unfortunate drafting placement for him. There's opportunity there with him for sure. He was worth the first round pick, just should have been another situation. I just think we don't feel we're set. Not sure how many they'll want to have on the roster, but I could see us easily getting a couple more.

I don't know....that would be hard to pass up. Especially if it included this years draft.

I'm still stuck in my Sedrick Van-Pran trench. Wouldn't hate the Barton option, but for the blocking scheme Canales likes, Van-Pran is the best fit. I need to do some more digging to see who would be the best plan B for that.

One thing is crystal clear. Morgan is not Fitt. There was a lot of concern that Morgan was tainted by Fitt and was basically the same ...guilt by friendship and employment. Turns out that's just horse poo.

Pay him. But for the love of all that breathes, if some team comes knocking saying they'll give you two firsts for him....

Morgan and Canales know to watch for players who know how to do what they are supposed to do. How we have been doing things for years going back to even drafting Benjamin and Funchess....they weren't looking at skill and proficiency as much as huge WRs. And then we kind of quit looking at WRs altogether. Well, at least Gettleman wasn't. With Fitt, instead of size it was that damn RAS score and whatever supermetric they could use. Relying on analytics to tell you who should be drafted. We watched moneyball and fell for that poo. Morgan trusts his first hand knowledge and those unblinking eyes. He knows what real football players and what makes a guy who can play at a high level because he played with and against the best for so long. I think Canales just knows what players have the mentality to push themselves to play at a high level and he can get that to rise to the surface.

It depends on my mood. It really changes all the time. Xavier Worthy, Addonai, Mcconkey, Xavier Leggette, Malachi Corley.....I really dig all these guys. Hard for me to pick a favorite. Keon Coleman creeps in there for realistic options as well. The guy is a beast.

Better to have too many playmaking options. Plus, with the quality in this draft, it's probably going to be a while before we have this much talent. We'd have a chance at being set for the next 4 years at least.

I like this a lot. I wish the receivers were taller, but that's just nitpicking. those two would be a nice pair to have. Trice would be nice. Guy definitely could be a solid starter. Thers a couple centers that would fit the scheme. I can't imagine us not picking one up unless thry manage to get another option in FA.

At least a dozen guys I like more that we could draft. I wouldn't hate it,but he'd be the second WR we draft. Or third.