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Rodgers won't make it past the summer without retiring and becoming rfkjr's running mate

I think we spent money where we needed it most. The TE talent that was available wasn't enough to make us deviate from what we did. It won't take much to improve on what we have at TE, but that money was better spent elsewhere.

Do we want to trade any more picks to the bears for what most believe is a bad QB? Seriously, think about this. Just how low do you want to go? Think of the optics on the Burns fiasco. Then multiply that by 10,890. We sell the farm so we can trade for BY then give them a other pick for the QB they wanted nothing to do with. Yowzers

Debatable whether or not Williams at this point is more than marginally better, mainly because they both have some post injury baggage, Williams coming of a much more recent injury, the same injury, gives more pause for concern. But I'm not going to debate that....I'd be fine with him too. Both carry s risk. Both would be worth it. Both would give us tough targets we didn't have before. But the way you talk, picking up Gallup or Williams would exclude us picking up a WR or maybe even two on draft day. It won't. The inclusion of either of those guys, just like all the other additions, raise our bottom line of talent across the board. For a talent deprived team, that's a good thing... getting more talent in here than what was here before.

Lol when you have a below average receiver corps, isn't adding average WRs trending in the right direction? Abd what bums are we adding? Third question, do you think that this the end of the work to make us better? We still have the draft where we can get a stud. And Gallup, before in his injury was not average. The guy was tough. High teaching guy who fought for the ball and won and could top toe on the line like few others. True, he's not looked like himself the past year since the injury, but there have been flashes of it. If it's for a reasonable amount, low risk investment, wouldn't it be worth it to give him a fresh start to see if he can regain what he has before? And even if he doesn't, he gives us a higher floor than we had before, makes it easier for the QB, and gives defenses more of a reason to respect our passing game. Basically he's not a stud but he would make the team better. That's what this off-season is all about. Digging ourselves out of the hole we'd gotten dug into.

True.

Guards were the bigger deal for us by far. And the talent at TE just wasn't there. We went the right direction. TEs that got gobbled up we're overpaid.

Yeah I hate we missed out on that action.

I think part of my hesitation in getting him is that I just want to stay away from that family. His mom just seems weird. She wants her kids in the West Coast and I think they're a family of momma's boys. Also, I think it would be really weird for us to go after him, like we can't move on from the past. The whole thought just makes me uncomfortable. There's just too many other good choices available that I'd rather get without the weird baggage.

This wasn't a very good TE FA class. Better to spend resources on better players at other positions than just to grab a joe and throw him in because we have a hole. If we don't upgrade in FA, but we keep building like we are, we're likely to get a better TE in the draft than we would have had we settled for meh talent in FA. The way we improved so many other positions makes this not a huge concern for me.

Sure why not? Especially if reasonably priced. Makes for an even better WR room. If we're not careful we'll look like we've got an actual pro team. Adding him and clowney would make us look like the team we should have been if we hadn't been so dumb for so long. Then we can walk into the draft and actually go BPA.

Just curious about something

Some people just like to argue over the tiniest of matters, like myself. Letting myself get sucked into stupid arguments. Bah...

Ok. Sorry. Silly and insignificant discussion. Someone calls him elite. You don't agree. It's all opinion. Why does it matter what someone's version of elite means when the topic is Morgan knows what good players look like?

No one is saying he was good at what he did with the trades. He was a master of the deal who knew poo about personnel. You can be both. Lots of good salesmen don't know what the hell they are talking about. He was great at working the phone and making deals. You want extra picks or someone to get on the phone and get a player you want? He's your guy. You want someone deciding on which personnel to draft or move...he's NOT your guy.

This. He was elite. One of the best of his era. Not necessarily HoF level, but still elite at a time where the MLB was more of a premium position. But I guess it all depends on someone's standards as elite. To me, you can be among the very best at your position in your era, but still not quite be good enough for the HoF. That's just a higher bar.

Gotcha. Still holds true for this class. Even DE/Edge seems really deep.

This class is abnormally deep in a lot of positions. Guys that would be first rounders in most other years will be slipping to 2nd or even third rounds. And I'm not going to base what we do this year on what we've typically done, because we aren't doing really anything typically so far with Morgan running it.

I'll admit to being happy with Rhule initially and then Fitt. I'll admit to being wrong about them. The thing, though, that Fitt did incredibly well was make draft day trades that first year. That was fun to watch. He just didn't have the right set of goggles to choose the best players. At the time analytics was all the rage so we jumped in. I jumped in. It was just a phase and I think we've all just realized that there's nothing like trusting the eyes of people who truly know the game.

True, but that also frees up a lot of future cap. I'm just saying it would be hard to outright deny it if some comes knocking. Especially after what we experienced with the Burns situation.

I don't think it has anything to do with Clowney or Young. Especially Clowney. Our pass rush sucked last year. We only had 4 players with more than one sack. Burns, YGM, Luvu, and Brown...and Brown only had 2. We need more pass rushers. I think we're still seriously interested in Clowney. If we don't get Clowney, expect Edge to be a priority in the draft. Even with Clowney, id expect us to pick up maybe Xavier Thomas from Clemson. Il tell you, though, Chaisson has a lot of potential that he never had a chance to live up to in jaxville. He was an edge/LB at LSU but in jaxville they stuck him in as a DE in a 4-3. It was just an unfortunate drafting placement for him. There's opportunity there with him for sure. He was worth the first round pick, just should have been another situation. I just think we don't feel we're set. Not sure how many they'll want to have on the roster, but I could see us easily getting a couple more.

I don't know....that would be hard to pass up. Especially if it included this years draft.

I'm still stuck in my Sedrick Van-Pran trench. Wouldn't hate the Barton option, but for the blocking scheme Canales likes, Van-Pran is the best fit. I need to do some more digging to see who would be the best plan B for that.