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Holy poo...a QB drew the defense offsides? We can do that?

Who?

Holy poo we got an offense

I don't have enough years left for a two year tank plan....and then hoping that it's not another failed attempt.

We should trade a late round pick for another backup QB. I don't care what we do with Bryce at this point. I just don't want to see that crap play back in the field. At this point, it doesn't matter what we paid for Bryce, it was a huge mistake. What's done is done. Just move on.

Yes, that would be nice. I would just live to see some fight from this team. I hope we see it. I'll just say Bryce is the antiCam. And my phone autocorrects Bryce to Bruce and I'm just about to let it happen. Not sure it's worth the effort.

I was just thinking this morning that it feels a little different having a grown up in there. I'm not confident, but I'm also not stuck thinking "so just how bad is it going to be today?" There might actually be a game today.

I'm old. I don't do the tik tok. I hear it in my living room, but I think it's a different kind. What is it you are trying to show us?

Same. Everyone worried about this kind of thing happening, but if it's not happening here I don't want it. These things usually just take the best most ideal situations to work out and it's a crap shoot finding them. I just don't want to hold into someone hoping that at some point we happen to stumble into being the right situation for them. Either it works or it doesn't. If it doesn't, move on and don't look back and play the "what if" game.

Bryce had every opportunity to recover short of getting long term psychiatric care, which he might need. But the Panthers did everything they could to help him. Regression is on him. I just don't think he was ready for anything less than the most ideal of situations, and even with that he likely would have struggled.

The thing is I'll never apologize for feeling optimistic. There are so few moments that I can feel good about being a Panthers fan so I try to take advantage of those moments when I can....which is before the realities of the season show up. Still better than never feeling good about it. I'm use to being disappointed so when it happens I'm not looking for a cliff to jump off. I've been there before a lot so it just rolls off my back like water on a duck.

Still like the effort. We just got the wrong guy in the wrong situation....which may be that we got a guy in which there is no good situation.

True. Why didn't Bryce play in the first two preseason games? Probably because they realized that he wasn't looking or playing well. Why did they finally decide to put him in against the Bills 2nd string? Because it WAS the Bills 2nd string and if there was any chance to give him and the team a shot of needed confidence in Bruce and themselves with him...that was it. "You see ...this is how things could be!" The hope was it would give them some momentum to carry into the start of the season, but Bryce flopped right out of the gate, with the very first throw. And it just didn't get better. They saw it wouldn't. I don't think they were surprised that he did poorly. I think they were expecting it. I think the only thing anyone was surprised by was just how bad he was.

I do think, barring some injury to Dalton and miraculous resurgence(?) by Bryce, Bryce is done here. And I think also that the next QB will be essentially the polar opposite to Bryce....and Tepper will likely have some influence. What would the polar opposite look like? The guy they didn't take #1 overall....Stroud. They are going to get someone with some size who may not be ......hmmmm....how can I put this......as conversationally appealing to someone like Tepper. He went for an appealing personality to him, someone that was easier to connect to because that's what he thought was important for someone as the face of the franchise....and it was such a determining factor that it caused him to overlook some now obvious shortcomings that Bryce was not going to be able to overcome.

I honestly think it was a mutual, collective decision. Canales might have been hired to be the Panthers head coach because he was the best chance to get Bryce where he needed to be to succeed and did everything...I mean he and Morgan did EVERYTHING possible to create a successful situation for Bryce. And it was obvious... painfully obvious that not only was it not working, the team was losing and it was effecting everything. Canales was hired because they thought he could help Bryce, but he was hired as the PANTHERS head coach, not Bryce's personal coach. If everyone could see this was failing far beyond what anyone could have and it didn't look like it was anything that could be fixed quickly....then that everyone who could see would have to include Canales himself who is responsible for not just Bryce, but the whole damn team has to have looked at what it was doing to the team and their chances to win and said, we have to choose what is best for Bryce or the Panthers. He came in and said he had no personal attachment to any player, and that means he has no personal attachment to Bryce. He's going to do what is best to help the team win. If that means benching Bryce, then that's what he's going to do. Did he make this call without Teppers blessing or input? Hell no. Did they come into the Monday meeting having both come to the same conclusion regarding Bryce? I would have a hard time arguing that wasn't the case. All in leadership has to have seen it wasn't just not working...it was killing the team and they had to make this switch for the betterment of the team soon or else lose the season completely. No way would Canales had bern campaigning for Bryce to stay in there. He's not that dumb. Sometimes regardless of the work you do, you have to realize when it's futile and the earlier you recognize it, the better off you will be.

we all bought the super processer hype or russel wilson 2.0 we wound up with a nice little guy in a game that got too big and scary for him the longer he stayed on the field.

Bryce is not Brees. Bryce won't be able to do it like Brees. Bryce can't be taught do do it like Brees. Size is only a part of the issue. It's actually the smallest part of the issue at the moment, because there is a mental disconnect with what and how he's supposed to actually do the job at a fundamental level. That is something that Brees never had to overcome. What is going on with Bryce is a regression combined with being a player with limited physical abilities/traits and i'm not sure how to deal with or overcome that. the hope is someone with limited physical ability/traits will have a solid enough mental game to compensate for what they lack physically. that somewhere, somehow they would find a balance. successful QBs find a way to make it work. With Bryce this season, there is nothing to balance out the negative aspects of him as a player. He physically and mentally struggles to see the field and he has lost the ability to process situations. it's just not as simple as helping him find lanes because he's lost.

same. i believed the hype. he might be a great kid. i have no doubts about that. i just think that the game is too big for him in all regards now. he started playing to his size. maybe he can shake it all out and figure it out, but i don't think we need to be holding our breath and acting like he will. looking like we made a very costly mistake. the good thing is we have an owner who, even though he makes a lot of mistakes, he doesn't dig his heels in the ground. he may not admit them, but he sure doesn't take much time moving on from them.

are you creating self esteem out of thin air or are you building it from a sense of accomplishment? you achieved because you got stuff done. you got stuff done because it was necessary to get it done. you had a goal and you got to work. you figured out what needed to be done and you got at it. and then you figured out what else needed to be done and you got after that, too. you achieved because you got after it. you started because it was necessary to get where you wanted to get.

That's fine, and I see where you're coming from, but it won't win him the job back. Believing in himself isn't enough and it wasn't enough for you. You put in the work and you made it work. You were successful because you worked hard, not because you believed in yourself. Things fell right for you because you had the talent and because you had the right opportunities. I'm all about people realizing they have value and are worthy of happiness, but that's something else. Believing in yourself, that's ground zero if you want to accomplish something. That should be the baseline for everyone. But if you think that's enough, you're never going to get anywhere.

Believing in yourself is just a trick of the mind. Anyone can pull that off without having anything to back it up. If you think that is enough, that all you need is to believe in yourself, you'll never go anywhere. You'll just keep spinning your wheels. He can spend his whole life believing in himself, but it won't get him where he wants to be. Until he can convince others he deserves to be a franchise QB, he will never be one.

Your priority isn't to believe in yourself. No one gives a damn if you believe in yourself. Any talentless hack can pull that off. You will not accomplish your goal and reach your dream unless you give people a reason to believe in you. That is your priority, kid. I don't know what kind of lessons you learned in life from your parents, but that should have been one of the biggest lessons. Maybe now you can learn it.

I think no one saw anything near this level of awfulness happening. It's epically bad. Something went seriously wrong with him.

feed him and he'll be alright.