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I don't have a huge problem with high maintenance if they produce. The higher the maintenance, the more they need to be able to produce for it to be worth the effort. Rodgers and Brady are worth it, imo. Baker just isn't.

I am curious about what he did (if anything) to get caught with this on him.

Baker just seems too high maintenance. If he was really good and productive, then I could probably deal with it. He's just not worth the effort or cost of a trade. I REALLY don't want us to get him. I don't want us to trade for him or use him as a reason to not chase after another QB in the next couple years.

We survived Clausen. We'll survive this.

Locking this thread. Should have done it earlier. I think most can see through the OP's meaning. It's an old antiquated view that just needs to go away....just like the guy who started this thread. He's gone, just like his other alts.

First thing I thought of. Literally said, as soon as I saw this thread, "not this poo again."

Yeah, this one hurts a bit. Still young and such a good guy. So much fun to watch. Hate it for his family and that band. Seemed like a rock for Grohl.

No. Please. Don't go.

You big dummy

"Guess which one is my thumb! They look the same, right?"

They just don't understand that he's the best long term solution a team could have.

Running is now an essential part of the game for the QB. It's part of the package in a well rounded QB. Unless they are some rate elite passer like brady, they need to bring food passing and a lot of mobility to the game. They have to be able to run. OLs aren't as it good as they used to be and Cam really opened up the door for these dual threats, bringing in the modern rome if the QB. That door is going to be wide open for a long time. If you're not on board with that, you're going to be hating the game for a long time.

Props to these new people coming out and trying to get us more info on the teams we follow ....I mean that's what we all want, right? I mean why the hell else would you be here? For more info and more things to talk about regarding panther football. Too all of you shitting all over these people who are in the beginning of their time trying to get and send out, chill the fug down. Are they consistently correct? Maybe, maybe not. It's rumors....things they are hearing and they are figuring who is and isn't good sources and they'll get better as they go. Take what they get is correct and let the rest of it go. Seriously, back the fug off or just fug off. @BurnNChinn and those others that keep attacking these people giving us something to talk about... Just shut the hell up until you've actually got something to contribute to the discussion beyond "hur hur they're always wrong". You guys make this place miserable.

Lol it absolutely is does, but you're that guy whose stuck with an archaic, antiquated myopic view of the position.

My reading comprehension is fine. Your assertion and explanation is the issue. It's all over the place.

Maybe next coach will come in with a solid legit plan on how to build a good team.

#notmyQB Good luck with all that, Cleveland.

They make the situation for the placeholder QB already on the team as good as possible with the OL you're building in year 1 and you end up buying time and confidence from the owner.

Year 1 for a new HC....build the OL. Year 2 for the new HC....get your QB. Year 3.... build around him. For any other situation, before you vet a new QB, build up that OL. That's where you start. In all the spaces in between you build defense, but you start with OL and then QB and go out from there. You make sure that QBs got protection from the day he hits the field to give I'm room to grow.

Would be great. Wouldn't expect it. Rule has to win now. He blew his chances of long term building a team. He can't afford to look ahead. If he has control, that won't happen.

To be honest, I don't really care whether or not this is a good QB class or not. What we've needed desperately for well over a decade....an OL. That has held us back as much as anything. I've always maintained that for any team needing a franchise QB, you get the OL set before you get your QB. Without that, you set your QB up for failure. Ideally, you give the OL at least a year to gel, then allow him to step into a situation where he's protected rather than running for his life under the promise from a staff that you'll get him the protection he needs. You prove the QB is your most important asset by bringing him into a situation where he is protected from failure as much as possible. Good RBs and WRs will help him succeed, but a good OL will protect him from failure more than anything. Teams cannot trust themselves to build an OL after the fact. They'll always be playing catch up. They just don't have the discipline to do it after. Ideal scenario, we build the OL this year and get it gelling and ready for the QB we get next year. You lay the foundation first or else the whole thing is going to crumble.

Only if you've got small mind. So what you're implying is if their grammar is poor, according to your culture, they are untrustworthy.