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ok, most/many of them came around. others bailed.

this. both sides know we need better and i don't think that anyone will mind at all as long as the guy is better. many people didn't want Cam in here and were diehard against him, but once he started breaking records and looked like a star, they changed their minds either about what pigeonhole they had locked him into or about how successful he could be. QBs have to be mobile. QBs have to be smart. QBs have to be able to sit back in the pocket and able to bail and keep the ball alive when that pocket collapses. QBs have to know when and be able to take advantage of space as a passer and a runner and be able to, in one way or another, move the ball down field. they have to be capable of doing it all as a passer and as a runner (as needed) and they need to be able to adapt what they are doing based on what defenses are giving them. they've also got to have the moxie to take over a team, put it on his shoulders, and will it to win.

i've been trying to keep out of this discussion because i've always had a poor impression of polian. the guy lucked out on manning (being put in a situation where he could draft him) but he was never really able to build well around him. which is kind of funny for him to talk about a QB is only as good as the team around him because he just didn't pull it off very well. i'll keep my other thoughts about him out of it, but i'll just reiterate that i think Polian and his legacy is overrated.

we put our money on the wrong horse(s). could you imagine where we would have been had we fired Hurney and Rivera and replaced them with Beane and McDermott?

My first thought.

It would be frustrating watching anything beyond that first round pick. Just like watching Panthers play beyond the first quarter.

I loved watching Isaiah Thomas.

Bleak.

How about no to other team's failed projects?

No. Especially if we have to trade for him.

people who are trapped into owning PSLs are going to have even more trouble selling them because what's the point? the owner is going to be tearing the whole thing down and starting over (just like he's done everything else here) so the investment you have is wasted in memories of the past. and who in their right mind is going to fall for this poo again, especially with a coach like rhule and the state this team is in? tepper's going to have to find another scheme than PSLs to pay for that stadium.

Yeah, where you gave no reason why beyond money. You've got nothing. if you've got some legit reason why players would want to come here based on what this team has to offer now.....please share.

Because no other team has money. But still ... Is money the only thing we have to offer? Pretty pathetic if that's the case. Come up with something better, superfan. C'mon. As much as you hurrah the team and ridicule everyone who doesn't, surely you could come up with a solid list.

could you imagine watching him on tv?

why would anyone not desperate for a roster spot on any team and without options elsewhere want to come here? what's the draw? please, someone educate me. seriously, what makes this team special compared to any other team? if you had a son that could play in the NFL and you weren't a panthers fan, why would you want your kid to come here compared to any other place? all you fans upset over him saying this, please fill me in. i'll wait for an answer.

i would like for him to elaborate more on this comment about us being the last team his son would play for. curious what he's been hearing.

We'll see. I hope he is and I hope I'm wrong about everything. I just have to be proved I am wrong. I'd like for BC to be that guy, but I see it more as a panic choice that we had instant buyers remorse for.

We fug up, can't find a trade partner, panic afraid of making the wrong choice and go defense with #6 then trade away next year's first round for a late second this year and pick whatever QB is left after the top 6 get taken and wind up not drafting OL until the 4th round.

Still have Rhule at the helm. Still don't have a QB or an LT. Still don't have much draft capital. Still could end up trading picks away next year to get more picks for this year. Until I see a concrete reason for optimism, it will be absent from me. Unt we start winning, it will be seem as something still out of reach. Until Rhule either gets fired or shows he's not in over his head and pulls a playoff run out of his ass, I'm not a believer. And it will take a deep playoff run to get me back in...and even then, I would only be there temporarily, because I need to see it not just pulled out once, but I need back to back winning seasons. I'm done with the low bar.

we're too used to settling for better than what we had (hoping that it actually is, but finding out eventually it really isn't). we let the bar of expectation get too low and because of that we're going to keep losing.

his ideal was an expansion team. he couldn't have one so he's trying to turn Carolina into one. demo the whole thing, level it, and start over from scratch. which begs the question..... why be a panthers fan if the owner wants to scrap the whole thing, tear it down, and put something else up in his image? it's not the panthers anymore. it's tepper's imaginary brass ball team. i'm a panthers fan. this isn't the panthers anymore. this isn't a team i recognize.

So which QB in the draft would be best suited for this kind of WCO?

If you rely on generic and trite sayings like this that have no personal connection to your organization, you're doing it wrong. Like most things they've done here since Tepper and especially since Rhule..... they're doing it wrong.

Among coaches of kids. Pretty clear he used this before... coaching kids.