rayzor

At this point the AR thing isn't going to happen. Most likely before the trade. I still think they love the potential and there's a lot to be excited about...in fact he may be the reason they put all that work into building the offensive staff they did, but it was still going to take a lot of work and time to get him there and Young just flat out required less work. Young is going to give them about a 2 year head start on being a legit threat in the league.

Yes, they were officially "keeping their options open" but they knew after the proday tour. They've known before that. Maybe not officially, but it's really only ever been Young since they moved to the 1, but even before then it was only 2 they were really interested in. I think the way it's looking, Stroud may not have the market many of us "including myself" thought he had. Lots to like, but for whatever reasons teams are having a hard time choosing him also their franchise guy. Could be a boas against QBs from OSU, the S2 scores, the reports of him being not the ideal leader type personality you'd want (too focused on self. "I've got to prove myself?", "how is this going to make me look?", etc), thought he looked better than he actually is because of his situation....these are all things I e heard brought up so it could be any or all of them. Like I've said, I still think he'll be good and part of me hopes he goes to the falcons just to make things interesting for the next decade, but Young's whole package, they feel, way more than makes up for his size issues. He's like having an OC on the field with eyes in the sky while the play is going on. Between snaps he's like Kuechly in the ability to diagnose what the other team is going to do, and he's like Brees in the preparation for games. Worry about his size if you want, but that's just one of those things you're going to just have to deal with and get over if you want to enjoy being a panthers fan for the next decade.

Kind of blunt, but...

I think at this point you're just screaming into the wind hoping that something makes sense

Someone is stuck in the past. Let it go

Did I say that? I do think we'll see from Young early on what we saw in college, though. And we'll be glad it was the pick. I could see 300+ yards and 3-4 passing TDs per game starting out. The guy is going to be special. Not Cam 2.0, but he doesn't need to be.

It didn't take long at all to know if Cam was the right pick. It won't take Young long either.

The situation was as ideal as you could get for any QB. Elite players everywhere and a scheme that knew how to take advantage of the innate advantage they already had. That's not a knock on CJ, he did everything the way it should and could have been done. He didn't have to really create any opportunities because they were all created for him in the most ideal way. Young had to constantly create opportunities from a less than ideal situation. Very good Russell Wilson like in that way. And then you throw in everything he's said to know and understand about the game...very Brees-like. The guys potential is just through the roof and he's incredibly likely to hit that potential because of how his brain works and the staff/situation he's walking into.

You live in fear you'll never go anywhere.

Like I said before, I don't think you came to this looking for honest discussion. You were looking for this pissing match. I mean the way you started the thread didn't leave much room for any other outcome.

Lol this worked out the way you knew and hoped it would.

If it wasn't this coaching staff making the call, I'd probably be a bit skeptical. I just feel like these guys know their poo.

That's been his go to schtick for years. He can be good, but he keeps going back to that. He likes to troll, poke bears, them jump back and say "Whoah! Where's all this hostility coming from?"

They do.

We only need one to work and we've got our eyes set on the right one. I think this class is really good, but Houston needs help everywhere ave they've got a lot of picks. They can come back at 12 and still get their franchise guy.

Agreed. They started out with an idea that they didn't think highly of this class and put in data that would fit whatever narrative they wanted to roll with.

The thing is they like AR a lot and if we hadn't traded up to #1, AR would most likely have been the pick. They just see and value Young's whole package as better and more ready for the pro game..less risky...than AR.

https://www.bleedinggreennation.com/platform/amp/2023/4/23/23694736/eagles-news-derrick-henry-trade-philly-wont-be-happening-running-back-titans-nfl-rumors-rb Lol Derrick Henry isn't going to the Eagles.

You didn't start this looking for discussion. You started this thread to push your opinion. And that's fine, but don't start acting like you're just some innocent guy trying to have a conversation. You're just here to instigate another pissing match.

This is what I've been seeing and I'm sticking with it until proved otherwise.

Gotcha. The thing is that for every example of a flaw, there's a lot more examples of the same situation where he does incredible in the moment.

Yeah I'm not seeing this poo at all and neither are the majority of minds out there. Pretty lame comps.