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I've seen one where Bowers went #2 and then a few mocks later I see him available at 33. Most players they are pretty consistent with but there's a few that really get bounced around.

I like it, especially the direction. Got to say I'm more excited about the 2nd WR than the first. I just feel like there's better WR options at 33. Could be that I just need to watch some more of him, but I have a feeling you'd be able to swap him fairly easily with a earlier iOL at 33 then swing back around to get Washington with the next pick. I love Corley, though.

I really like this one.

Not likely, but yes or no?

That could be and probably was, but even so I'm sure it was an easy sell to the teppers. I'm not sold that Reich was sold on BY, maybe he was, but considering the majority of work he had done with QBs was older established vets I'm not sure he knew much about how to develop a QB or what to look for. Really not a great fit for what we were trying to do on many levels. I think Canales is much better suited for developing QBs or really any position. Considering his early passion/focus was trying to get a training center going, it wouldn't surprise me to see early mini-camps taking that kind of direction. Have everyone work on shoring up fundamentals.

I've been targeting those two in the third and coming back around 2-3 rounds later and picking up Tommie Eichenberg. Hopefully through trading back we can add a couple picks to make this more feasible. Adding that to Luvu and Shaq (if he's still here) would be fun to watch.

A couple things I've noticed If I don't pick a WR first, I typically end up regretting it. I never feel good about the way it falls after that. Usually it's Ladd, Adonai, or, on occasion, Brian Thomas Jr is there (and if he is I jump). I e been going back and forth between going OL or defense with the 2nd pick, but find myself drawn more to defense lately. Kris Jenkins is often a target there just because I'd love to see Brown with another huge terror on the interior and id also love to see another Kris Jenkins at DT. Seems like destiny. I find myself more trying to get two LBs who are big-time tackle machines with that alpha dog mentality. I will grab either Cedric Grey or Jeremiah Trotter in the 2nd and then typically Tommie Eichenburg a couple rounds later or some other high tackle dawg complement for whoever gets picked earlier. I'm just thinking that adding two terror tackling machines to add to Luvu would be great. I figure it would have to be appealing to Morgan as well and Evero probably wouldn't hate having a stacked LB corps managing the middle. Whatever picks I have left (usually a few from trades) I just get the best OL I can find. And if Jared Wiley is available I might try to grab him as well.

This one made me laugh. Adonai Mitchell @ 6'4 Johnny Wilson @ 6'6-7 Jared Wiley @ 6'7 I typically have been having one or two WRs under 6' (mcconkey, corley, thrash, wilson, cowing) and trying to pair them up with a tall target, but this was just too hard to resist.

I don't think they were on an island. I think there were a lot of people who bought it. But there are also mega doubts about him as well. Also, people who preferred bryce were mocked by those who didn't think it was a good choice. It was pretty heavily divided and the ebb flowed back and forth between the two regularly. I think people loved the idea of Bryce and there was just enough to see that people felt ok with that choice. Confirmation bias played a role in the decision and people's opinions about both guys, but particularly with Bryce. Those who didn't want a short QB weren't going to hear anything that could possibly change their minds that it might not be the issue that they thought it would be. Many just wanted a big QB. Many wanted Cam...again. Also, many who loved the idea of Bryce the guy and the super processer and weren't willing to consider anything that might point to the idea that he may not be the best choice. Not the strongest arm. Not a powerhouse. Not a big personality that can help take command. Not a big guy. I mean he really is tiny. That's not an insignificant point to consider. But people were willing to overlook stuff with Bryce because they liked the idea of him... including me. I'm not sold on him anymore, but I am hopeful that Canales and his crew can make it work.

Locking thread.

I think this is BS. He's still on the site as staff. Just wishful thinking. https://www.panthers.com/team/ownership_business/taylor-rajack-x1565

I think it was a perfect storm of misconception made by a couple who happened to be the owners of the team. They weren't just looking for the face of the franchise. They were looking for the voice and they were looking/hoping for someone who sounded like they did. I really think they were looking for someone who wouldn't just win games, but who would win the hearts of the market they were try appeal to who had the money. They were looking to make the typical middle /upper-middle class fan comfortable so, between the two top prospects I think they didn't rely on talent, but marketable personality. Tepper from the beginning has tried his best to get media attention to the team he bought. Trying to make the biggest splash possible. He didn't want the best team. He wanted the most hyped team. The most marketable team. Just my opinion and I could be totally wrong, but I think that he and his wife WANTED Bryce to be the best prospect so they believed it and sold everyone else on it...or just flat out pushed it on people who wanted to please the boss and his wife. Bryce was the well-mannered polite kid you could take to your grandma and who would comment on just how well-spoken and well-mannered he was. I think the kid has talent and he might still become a good QB. I hope he is. But I really do believe that he fit the personality mold the teppers were wanting for the face/voice of their team.

Yep. Most important thing to remember when thinking about Tepper is, he's just a dumb football fan (like most of us in here) that bought a team. We think we know what we're talking about, like we're experts and occasionally one or two of us might get something right and we think that means we know what we're talking about...and that's perfectly ok because we don't own a team. Tepper is what happens when a fan owns a team.

I think i remember when it was getting the most hype and attention, the guy who owns S2 was kind of warning people that it was meant to be one piece of many many data points in evaluating, not the crucial one piece of data that would be the deciding factor. After Purdy has success and it was pointed out that he scored the highest, people saw it as the most important data point and it all blew up. I don't blame S2. I blame the hype machine that blows poo out of proportion when it's new.

that's about it.

how much is burns wanting? who would we benefit more from. i'm not crazy about throwing big money at any one player, but this is probably the only exception i would make. if the organization is set on bryce being the guy, then we need to make sure that he's got the best chances possible to succeed. if we hadn't traded moore, we'd probably be paying him a couple more a year than that.

this was an interesting one. surprised to see chop robinson there and if we lose burns this might not be a bad opportunity. i usually try to get a WR early, but the way it was falling i didn't like the values there. definitely broke me out of some drafting ruts i had gotten into.

a case of us being fixated on this RAS crap. i'm sure it's important, but if they don't football well, they are worthless. being athletic means nothing if you don't have anything you do well.

what happened with chinn is a big mystery. i've lost interest in him. let him hit the market because we sure never have known what the hell to do with him.

the legend is greater than the reality. the legend is not worth the price tag.

same here. aside from luvu, let them go and upgrade where we can.

That sucks. They lost because their offense was limited, not because of their defense.

bit of a reach for Guerendo, but i like the guy. i love making trades, though.

this. right. here. we're not going to be a playoff bound team this next year. probably not next year either. build wisely and frugally. consider what greg olsen said a couple weeks ago draft well and pick up not star or elite FAs that you have to pay $20mil/year for. get the decent role players who can help fill out the roster or who can be developed. build from the bottom up. it's not sexy, but it's smart. we've got limited resources to rebuild this team. should we have to rebuild this team after waiting so long? no, but we have to because tepper hired the wrong people. hopefully he hired the right ones this time around, but until we get the right guys rebuilding this team we're going to be stuck and there isn't a chris jones or any other high $ player is going to fix that. it will only put us in a worse cap situation.