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I think this is BS. He's still on the site as staff. Just wishful thinking. https://www.panthers.com/team/ownership_business/taylor-rajack-x1565

I think it was a perfect storm of misconception made by a couple who happened to be the owners of the team. They weren't just looking for the face of the franchise. They were looking for the voice and they were looking/hoping for someone who sounded like they did. I really think they were looking for someone who wouldn't just win games, but who would win the hearts of the market they were try appeal to who had the money. They were looking to make the typical middle /upper-middle class fan comfortable so, between the two top prospects I think they didn't rely on talent, but marketable personality. Tepper from the beginning has tried his best to get media attention to the team he bought. Trying to make the biggest splash possible. He didn't want the best team. He wanted the most hyped team. The most marketable team. Just my opinion and I could be totally wrong, but I think that he and his wife WANTED Bryce to be the best prospect so they believed it and sold everyone else on it...or just flat out pushed it on people who wanted to please the boss and his wife. Bryce was the well-mannered polite kid you could take to your grandma and who would comment on just how well-spoken and well-mannered he was. I think the kid has talent and he might still become a good QB. I hope he is. But I really do believe that he fit the personality mold the teppers were wanting for the face/voice of their team.

Yep. Most important thing to remember when thinking about Tepper is, he's just a dumb football fan (like most of us in here) that bought a team. We think we know what we're talking about, like we're experts and occasionally one or two of us might get something right and we think that means we know what we're talking about...and that's perfectly ok because we don't own a team. Tepper is what happens when a fan owns a team.

I think i remember when it was getting the most hype and attention, the guy who owns S2 was kind of warning people that it was meant to be one piece of many many data points in evaluating, not the crucial one piece of data that would be the deciding factor. After Purdy has success and it was pointed out that he scored the highest, people saw it as the most important data point and it all blew up. I don't blame S2. I blame the hype machine that blows poo out of proportion when it's new.

that's about it.

how much is burns wanting? who would we benefit more from. i'm not crazy about throwing big money at any one player, but this is probably the only exception i would make. if the organization is set on bryce being the guy, then we need to make sure that he's got the best chances possible to succeed. if we hadn't traded moore, we'd probably be paying him a couple more a year than that.

this was an interesting one. surprised to see chop robinson there and if we lose burns this might not be a bad opportunity. i usually try to get a WR early, but the way it was falling i didn't like the values there. definitely broke me out of some drafting ruts i had gotten into.

a case of us being fixated on this RAS crap. i'm sure it's important, but if they don't football well, they are worthless. being athletic means nothing if you don't have anything you do well.

what happened with chinn is a big mystery. i've lost interest in him. let him hit the market because we sure never have known what the hell to do with him.

the legend is greater than the reality. the legend is not worth the price tag.

same here. aside from luvu, let them go and upgrade where we can.

That sucks. They lost because their offense was limited, not because of their defense.

bit of a reach for Guerendo, but i like the guy. i love making trades, though.

this. right. here. we're not going to be a playoff bound team this next year. probably not next year either. build wisely and frugally. consider what greg olsen said a couple weeks ago draft well and pick up not star or elite FAs that you have to pay $20mil/year for. get the decent role players who can help fill out the roster or who can be developed. build from the bottom up. it's not sexy, but it's smart. we've got limited resources to rebuild this team. should we have to rebuild this team after waiting so long? no, but we have to because tepper hired the wrong people. hopefully he hired the right ones this time around, but until we get the right guys rebuilding this team we're going to be stuck and there isn't a chris jones or any other high $ player is going to fix that. it will only put us in a worse cap situation.

Ok..... here's something to consider. Why the hell would we want to be the highest bidder? I can't think of a bigger mistake...going all in on ANYBODY at this point. We don't need to be throwing all our money at one or two players under the impression that it will make us competitive next year. As exciting as it would be to make a big splash, isn't that what we've been trying to do the last few years? And how has it worked out.. We have to use all our resources to rebuild the team. A team isn't made up of one or two big stars . It's made up of a bunch of Joe's who are decent players...not stars, just decent players who can do what they're told. We don't even have that kind of team. We have do do the boring route. We have to use all our money on bringing in average Joe's who are decent players who can do what they're told. Throwing all our chips in to get a Chris Jones won't help us build the team.

Lol at even entertaining the thought of Chris Jones coming here.

lol a little trade happy. the offers kept coming

he's kind of all over the place as far as projections. big and athletic is the draw. people love the idea of a WR like that. he could do alright, but he could also be a headache. you draft a WR here and you're going to want him to be a super reliable target. big game target would be nice, but i'd rather have big time reliable.

Ok, as far as TEs is concerned, i know Bowers isn't happening. There is one i think we could grab in the 3rd that i think would be really good. Ja'Tavion Sanders. he's got it all. would instantly be the best TE we've had since Olsen (not that the bar is set very high post-greg). realistic WR options that i think would help out a lot who might be available (a couple depending on whether 5,6,or7 go in the first round): Keon Coleman/Troy Frankin/Adonai Mitchell (1-2 of these guys might still be there at 33) Ladd McConkey (not a huge guy, but he's one of these type WRs that becomes a QBs best friend. key for him great hands, great routes, gets separation) Xavier Legette - might be gone earlier because he's a big and fast guy with decent hands who fights for the ball. the issue is he has to fight for that ball a lot. read into that...doesn't create a whole lot of separation. still, wouldn't hate it. Super athletic guy, esp. for his size. Xavier Worthy - really fast stick with good hands. only real downside is he's a stick. probably the guy you want for deep balls. if we don't use the deep ball that often, though, probably another direction we could go. Ja'Lynn Polk - good prospect with tons of potential. needs a good bit of coaching up and might be another who will fight hard for the ball, but won't get a lot of separation. Devontez Walker - could be a great do it all kind of WR. lots to like with him. just needs some refining in a couple areas. Definitely one to keep an eye on, especially being a local kid. Brenden Rice - son of the GOAT. good size and very athletic. smart. fights for the ball and every yard. does it all well. lots to love. not a lot at all to hate on. Roman Wilson - tiny but uber-athletic. will end up in fights for the ball...which could be a problem because he's tiny. he's a highlight reel guy. fun to watch, but likely won't be the most reliable target out there. day 2 guy for sure. Malik Washington - another small guy, but good bit of potential. fun to watch. in some ways he's like McConkey... quick, good reliable hands, and can get separation. limited route tree, but what he runs he runs well. Luke McCaffrey - think CMC except just a WR. fights for the ball. fights for the extra yards. fights for the end zone. tough and athletic and a reliable target. this class is very nice and i could go on all day, but these guys are the ones that interested me the most. i'd be happy if we could get a couple of these guys. i think guys i've been most looking at aren't necessarily the big guys, though that would be nice. it's guys who can get open with some separation and can be counted on to catch the ball. i don't care how big they are. just be open and reliable.

WRs, TEs, and OL.

one of the all time best superbowl pics ever. dude was a warrior when he was here. that fight was always in him and he was always pushing to get back on the field, no matter how many times he had to get pain killing injections in his foot before games...he was always going to give it everything he could.

either we spend this year focusing one putting all the needed pieces around BY for him to succeed, or we have the team ready for the next guy. but this year is all about surrounding the QB, not switching out the QB.