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He shouldn't be.

He's have to do much better than just a winning season. Deep run in the playoffs or he's gone. I mean there has to be big time improvement. I just don't see it happening. Not with this crew. Not with this team. They have to get a QB that performs THIS year. No time to develop. It needs to be a real and quick turnaround. You think Rhule can pull that off?

We need to act as if we got Watson and get the OL he'd need to succeed.

The center you need is out there. Go get him.

It is true. Prove I'm wrong. The notion that it takes years to build a winner is a myth. Is the goal to win a Superbowl? How many teams have won it in the last 30 years in more than 4 years after hiring their head coach? It's going to be a really short list. Typically it's done within 3 years and in occasion 4. Those teams were winning within 2 years. Show me a list of teams who became consistent winners after several years of losing using the same coach. We should have seen a lot of progress between year one and two. Did we see it? No. No. I don't have patience for a plan that goes beyond 2 or 3 years to build a winner because it just isn't warranted.

He only had one year in so he was still an unknown commodity without pro experience who had a coaching staff without experience. At best, he was still an experiment and not at all a proven commodity. There was and is really no reason to choose him over a head coach with a proven track record of success or one with years of experience in the league. He's just not an attractive commodity, regardless of how he tries to sell himself. His sales pitch might work on kids and billionaires with no/limited experience running a team, and bad GMs, but apparently it's not working on the grown men who take the field. Does Tepper actually believe that Rhule is his long term guy? Does he have faith in his head coach? Then come out and say it. Players notice this kind of thing. Why come and lead a team as a franchise QB if the head coach has an uncertain future?

We aren't set up to win because this is Rhule's team. It doesn't take long to build a winning team if you know what you're doing. It takes just a couple years and we aren't exactly trending upwards. If a head coach doesn't have his team winning within two years, it's not going to happen. It's not going to happen with Rhule. Even if he does miraculously eek out a winning season somehow next year, it won't be a trend. It will be an exception. He's not capable of building and coaching a consistent winner.

Here's one big thing... Rhule is perceived by many, with good reason, to be a coach with one foot out the door. He hasn't been winning. He hasn't exactly been successful building a winning team. He hasn't put together an offensive line that can protect a QB, not does he seem to know how to do it with his poor choices and constant shuffling around of pieces (and wanting pieces to shuffle around rather than let them play their one position). And his lack of experience in the pro league shows on several fronts. He just isn't isn't that attractive an option for a franchise QB and coupled with the notion that he might get fired within a year...what's the point? He's just not a good selling point.

There's another thread on it.

From the article you linked "Franchise quarterbacks, who can control their destination, have had no desire to come here. "

This. If you want someone else for this year, don't give up too much. Don't sell yourself on the idea that you've just got to find your guy this year or else and hope that one of these guys is it, because it's not. And don't trade for anyone. Not this year. Get everything ready for your QB to step in and make sure he has all the pieces in place for him to succeed before you bring him in, because if you don't do it before, you won't do it. You'll always be trying to play catch up like we did with Cam and you'll always come up short .

They'll have the spin machine out in full force, no doubt. Gonna be hard to spin this poo, but they'll try and several homers with rose colored glasses will buy it and preach it, looking down their noses at all the "fake fans" who criticize the team. I'm just interested to see what that spin will be.

I do appreciate that Tepper keeps swinging and is wanting to go big time in getting us a franchise QB and getting us a big name head coach (which Rhule was at the time in hype alone). JR didn't really go for that kind of thing. The fact that JR was ok drafting Cam was a shock, tbh. Tepper was, essentially, just a fan of the game when he bought the team. He has an idea of what he wants, which is a big time championship winning team. He just needs to let someone else build it for him until he gets a few more years under his belt managing a team and spends more time learning from people that aren't Hurney and Rhule. He's got Fitt and Dan Morgan with him now so hopefully he will start listening to them. I'm hoping that eventually he'll get it and can build a championship team. Right now, though, he's got all the ambition without the now how and experience. He's throwing a lot of punches but hitting air. Sometimes you have to accept you don't know what you're doing just listen and learn from experience and a few people who know their poo. Hopefully that's what Tepper is doing. The problem is that takes humility and people with that much money aren't really known for that so I'm not holding my breath. But, if nothing else, this thing with Watson was a humbling experience so maybe he got a bit of it. We'll see.

You're right. That's what they'll do, but it will be the wrong move.

That's what I see him doing.

Whether or not Rhule was actually a deciding factor in Watson's decision doesn't matter. I just hope that Tepper blames it on Rhule and moves on from him.

Sam sucks, but he's the penance that this franchise must pay for our (well, Rhule's) mistakes and errors of judgement. I don't want us to intentionally tank. I don't want us to lose. I just think that it's going to happen naturally. My eyes are on 2023 when we've hopefully moved on from Rhule, but have shored up the OL and can score us a true franchise QB.

I'm not sure we deserve the 'keep pounding' chant/motto anymore. More like 'getting pounded'. Got to give Tepper some props, he didn't give up. He just doesn't know how to win anything. He just knows how to buy.

It's a permanent condition with him. He had rose colored lasik surgery.

This year second round. Every other year he'd be a 4th round guy. I just really don't like any of them and would rather we use our first round on OL. I don't expect much from 4th rounders and beyond.

Oof.

Just don't trade for anyone. FA and draft picks. That's all.

For posterity.

Lol what a hack. Sorry to all you who believed this clown and kept talking to him. I tried to tell you.