rayzor

why would anyone not desperate for a roster spot on any team and without options elsewhere want to come here? what's the draw? please, someone educate me. seriously, what makes this team special compared to any other team? if you had a son that could play in the NFL and you weren't a panthers fan, why would you want your kid to come here compared to any other place? all you fans upset over him saying this, please fill me in. i'll wait for an answer.

i would like for him to elaborate more on this comment about us being the last team his son would play for. curious what he's been hearing.

We'll see. I hope he is and I hope I'm wrong about everything. I just have to be proved I am wrong. I'd like for BC to be that guy, but I see it more as a panic choice that we had instant buyers remorse for.

We fug up, can't find a trade partner, panic afraid of making the wrong choice and go defense with #6 then trade away next year's first round for a late second this year and pick whatever QB is left after the top 6 get taken and wind up not drafting OL until the 4th round.

Still have Rhule at the helm. Still don't have a QB or an LT. Still don't have much draft capital. Still could end up trading picks away next year to get more picks for this year. Until I see a concrete reason for optimism, it will be absent from me. Unt we start winning, it will be seem as something still out of reach. Until Rhule either gets fired or shows he's not in over his head and pulls a playoff run out of his ass, I'm not a believer. And it will take a deep playoff run to get me back in...and even then, I would only be there temporarily, because I need to see it not just pulled out once, but I need back to back winning seasons. I'm done with the low bar.

we're too used to settling for better than what we had (hoping that it actually is, but finding out eventually it really isn't). we let the bar of expectation get too low and because of that we're going to keep losing.

his ideal was an expansion team. he couldn't have one so he's trying to turn Carolina into one. demo the whole thing, level it, and start over from scratch. which begs the question..... why be a panthers fan if the owner wants to scrap the whole thing, tear it down, and put something else up in his image? it's not the panthers anymore. it's tepper's imaginary brass ball team. i'm a panthers fan. this isn't the panthers anymore. this isn't a team i recognize.

So which QB in the draft would be best suited for this kind of WCO?

If you rely on generic and trite sayings like this that have no personal connection to your organization, you're doing it wrong. Like most things they've done here since Tepper and especially since Rhule..... they're doing it wrong.

Among coaches of kids. Pretty clear he used this before... coaching kids.

Yep. He still thinks college works like the pros.

No trades. Not this year. Not for anyone.

Bar is set low. Point is, it was better.....and that's just damn sad.

I don't know. It sounds like a very college coach slogan thing to try when you're desperate for motivation.

Just my opinion and not necessarily in order... Bills Chiefs Rams Chargers Raiders Thought about Bengals in there because of what they did to shore up that OL, but I am just more impressed by what I see these other teams doing. I see them creating consistent winners who will find themselves at the top for a pretty good while. Not really impressed by many NFC teams. Aside from the Rams and maybe the Packers.... I don't know. Really no one stands out all that much. What are y'all thinking?

I don't even recognize this team anymore. Its got no fight. No tradition. No character. No identity. Its Panthers in name only. Seriously, what's the point?

The ONLY priority needs to be winning. Brand will follow. Tradition will follow. You don't create it. You can't force it. It's organic. It will come from the team itself and from the fans. Killing off "keep pounding" is a piss poor decision made by tepper. One of many. At this point I'd rather have JR (and that's not an endorsement of the old owner by any means). All Pepper has done is fug up everything. Fugging step aside or sell the team. The whole organization is an embarrassing joke.

The problem is I don't trust BC because I don't trust Rhule's opinion. Rhule was on the fence and never sure and the ONLY reason they drafted him was desperation. They fugged up and got to that point without addressing LT so they scrambled and got the only possibility left at that point and the fact they say him for so long and did whatever they could be to avoid using him at LT because they had buyers remorse. No QB is going to be successful here until they get that OL fixed. Anyone they draft, they are setting up for failure. There's no point in getting a QB without having at least an LT in place and I don't trust them to ever fix it if they don't do it this year. They fix it this year or they won't. I do think the best option is trading back. Only thing that #6 should be used for if they don't trade back is on an LT. If they use that spot to draft anything by else, they are fugged.

I'm looking at it like this. OT class might be overrated a bit and QB class might be underrated a bit. Even with that said, OT class >> QB class. LT at 6 is a better idea than QB at 6.

i hope we aren't initiating the calls. more likely to get it if other teams are initiating them. unless we have an absolute stud OT slipping down to us, trading back later in the 1st and picking up at least a second is ideal. i really hope we can pull that off.

Elaborate please. I don't get that at all from him.

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more likely to find the next Gross in this draft than the next Cam or even Jake in this one. i think there's potential in this QB class and they might be better than i thought, but there's not one of them i would be ecstatic with at #6. If we're going to roll with a QB then...i still would prefer these guys in this order Corrall, Willis, and Pickett. I think that we'd be able to get at least one of these guys later, though, so i'm not hoping we go that direction with the 6th. First pick, imo, whether it's at 6 or later, should LT. we've put it off too long. that HAS to be the priority this year. after that they can do whatever the hell they want.

what kind of turf is he on? didn't look like grass.

same here. would prefer Corral and coming out with him and Penning would be winning, imo.