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was invite sent out or did the panthers pay for the trips of former, non-retired players to go to Germany? If there was, then there's a problem that goes beyond the Cam issue, because that's inappropriate in the first place. Was he told not to go? i'm just wondering how he was "slighted" or how he feels slighted.

and i can understand not celebrating his career until he puts in the retirement papers. he hasn't been forgotten. as soon as he files retirement papers, he'll be celebrated. and the sooner he can get his yellow jacket. if he's hoping he'll get picked up by someone, it's not happening if it hasn't happened in the past couple years.

his personality and presence is far too large for any backup role on a team. it cannot be controlled or restrained. not a slight on him at all, btw. he's not going to be a starter anywhere....not for very long. his shoulder just wouldn't be able to handle it. any vet QB he is teamed with in a starter role will have to compete with him for leader role. his presence will distract people just because people will naturally gravitate towards him or have an ear out for him. newer QBs that are trying to build their presence as a leader won't stand a chance with him there. he is not a guy you can have on a team that is building. on a team that is competing, he automatically takes the spotlight and attention from the team. he becomes the focus. that's not by his doing. this is just the natural by-product of having him on a team.

Just a bit jealous. It's been a few years since I've seen them. Always was a great show and it seems like the shows are getting better.

this. changing the culture takes time, a lot of work, and shared experiences...caught up in "the battle" together fighting through while winning and losing, but constantly trying to get that W and do better every day/week. It also takes big personalities like Hunt showing the rest of the crew how it's done. attitudes like his are infectious.

building ≠ built as in 'work in progress' this iteration is just getting started.

Lots of fun to watch.

Yes, on several levels.

The culture that is being built. It's a work in progress.

Whoever gives us the best chance to win...

lol like you explained anything.

lol ok. good strategy when you can't come up with an answer. shouldn't be surprised that your strategy is to quit.

we haven't had success or anything close to it for years, but it is conceivable that right now, in this moment, there are teams that are making worse choices and who are performing worse than ours because....possible....they aren't, in this moment, better than us. it could be that the giants and the saints are worse than us. it could be that even the vaunted jets and cowboys are being managed worse than us and might be performing worse than us. you know...right now...this season.

lol i'll explain that once you actually give me the strategy for tanking...sorry, not "tanking" ...getting your team to just not try...or whatever it is you are thinking is such a brilliant tactic to lose games instead of trying to win.

Daboll could get fired. It could be that they really are just that inept.

oh yeah...i'm having fun with it. not to mention that it's kind of illegal and we could get serious fines and end up actually LOSING those pics we tanked for.

be careful. you might get laughed at saying that we aren't the absolute worst team in the history of all pro sports....which just happen to be the ones that are mad we won a couple and are trying to win.

lol "so i didn't actually use the word 'tank'....i just don't think we should be trying to win." this is awesome.

i'm not trying to make anyone look dumb. they seem sure. i'm sure they are seeing something that i'm missing out on. let this be the definitive tanking thread where the whole thing is explained. how to successfully pull off a tank. give me the deets, folks. (that means details)

I understand all that, but thats not the issue. The issue is people are getting mad that this team isn't lying down. My question is how do you get your team to lie down. What do you do to get your team to quit trying do you don't win "pointless" games?

I understand the 'why' you think it's a good idea. I'm asking how you do it. What do you do? What do you tell the players and the coaches? How do you intentionally 'tank'?

lol...my problem is that i don't see you talking about how you tank games. i thought it's a rather simple question. probably too simple for you being the intellectual giant you appear to be, i don't know. but how do you tank? what is the strategy involved? explain this to me. i'm listening.

we're just waiting for you to explain what it means to tank...how you get a team to tank. what is the strategy involved. pretend i'm a 3rd grader if you have to. i might have a problem keeping up with your intellect.

i'm just being entertained. i love these answers.