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true and that's all i would need to see or hear, that he moved on from rhule. that's the only important thing. we all know why he would do it and the reason he waited was because he didn't want to give up too early on a long term investment. he took a risk. that's what business people do. that's what owners do. they take risks and it's kind of the nature of risks that they don't often pan out...in fact more often than not they don't work out. you've got to be ok with this or you'll never go anywhere. and as a spectator, you have to be ok with it too or you'll drive yourself nuts.

disagree with what?

why would he? you make decisions. some pan out. some don't. when they don't you just move on and go a different direction. it's just the nature of business. guy wouldn't even owe us an explanation. it's his team.

i'd get pigpen and put the ball in his hands. always leaves them in a cloud of dust.

would we trade him straight up for dalton schultz?

so maybe not yet? but it sounds like he's definitely open to the idea.

agreed. rhule is not a mastermind on any phase of the game. he can't just put anyone in there and succeed. he's got to find people that can handle that for him and if he can keep reloading in that way...more power to him. if it works and we're successful, keep doing it. if we can't reload with quality coaching talent and aren't consistently successful then we have to change direction. for the record, one winning season isn't near enough. i don't want rhule to be given the same rope that fox and rivera had where inconsistency was allowed. if a winning season is followed by a losing one, he needs to be gone. the other two should not have been allowed to continue that pattern.

yes...unless someone picked these guys for him and he was stuck with them, which is still a possibility but i'll give him the benefit of the doubt here. like @Ricky Spanish said earlier, whether he can duplicate the success he had this year of refilling vacancies has yet to be seen, but also as ricky spanish said, rhule did a better job than rivera of moving on from bad coaches. again, i don't know if rhule's hand was forced, but whatever the case, i hope that this was something that he learned had to happen. when coaches don't do the job well enough, you move on and find one that will get it done right and achieve the goals you set for it and you don't wait to do it. and i also hope that same standard is applied to him.

i think we've got a good staff, but i think this is probably a journeyman staff...not a long term one. so the concern about after coaches start taking better jobs and being able to fill those vacancies with solid coaching is a concern. hopefully after rhule has been around for a while (if we're going to be stuck with him for a while) is that he will have networked enough with other teams in the league that he would be able to build a more consistent coaching staff. that's one of many problems of not coming up through the ranks of the NFL is the lack of networking that has been done over the years. it leaves you with a very small pool of familiarity to draw from when looking to build and refill spots on a staff.

going to abstain from returning juvenile insults. you can win that pissing match. whatever. i'm tired of that poo. now responding like you were an adult... i expected year one to be a pretty meh year, but would have liked to see a little improvement over rivera's last year. first year and a lot of problems i can let that go. year two i expected to see some more wins...not necessarily playoffs and definitely not 10 wins, but we should have had a winning season or at least close to one. benchmark to reach for year two was a winning season. it's a very reasonable goal for any coach who knows what they are doing and it happens frequently when good coaches take over bad teams. year three is the year that any new coach should be hitting the playoffs and making a run. so did i expect 10 wins out of the gate? no. did i expect him to improve from year one to year two? was turning it from 5 wins to 9 wins unreasonable? no. again, a good coach that knew what he was doing would have been able to make that happen and we've seen that happen a lot over the years. we've seen more dramatic ones that that happen pretty often. now as far as me complaining after 10 win seasons? why would i? all i want is to win. of we're doing that i and 99% of the board would be totally fine with that. and calling me a bandwagon fan? lol just going to let that one go.

i've done half of that accidentally.

Yes he did, and like I said, he should have. His job is to get the right guys in here to carry out a winning strategy that can adapt when things go south. If things didn't go right either the plan sucks or the coaches sucked...or both. My vote is both. And both are ultimately his fault.

Crap...make the trade Robbie/y or a 2024 3rd or even 2nd rounder. The guy is good. The only missing link on this offense left. Just get him.

Saints #1 seed? Blah....

If he had the same coaching staff as before and got better, it would be easier to give him credit. He now has a better coaching staff around him. Better coaching overall has to be the result of the better coaches being brought in, correct? Who else should the credit go to? Should Rhule get the coaching credit for the better coaches he brought in? And I think that's a good thing if he does step aside and let the others do their job. Makes him a better leader. Like I've said before, the best leaders builds a team of leaders under him who do their individual jobs better than you would be able to. You come up with a macro-plan and give direction and focus and inspiration and you get out of the way. When things start to derail or the goal isn't getting met, then you step back in and get their heads right and redirect. You adapt and you help your team adapt. When things go right, you give them the credit they deserve and you don't. They do the work, you make sure they do it right. if things ultimately don't work, then it's on you for either not getting the right members of the team or giving them the direction or not adapting as needed.

They weren't pooing his post, they were pooing him. He kind of went off the rails a while back and pissed a lot of people off consistently and bragged about pulling for Brady and the Patriots over the Panthers (and also constantly threw it in people's faces that he's got a lot of money). Other people in here have a lot of money but don't constantly draw attention to it. He's been better since he came back and probably should have created a new user name and started over rather than keep the same persona or whatever. Anyways, he earned a lot of ire before and it's hard for some to get over it.

Has he shown he can do it yet?

He's done nothing that would prove us wrong.

Got DL help in the form of a guy whose been a solid run stuffer for years? I'll take it considering that's been a huge weakness of ours for years

If what you're doing results in wins, then that is valuable. Leadership and direction is what you offer. Rhule's problem is that so far it isn't working. He's trying this year with a better team of coaches under him. if he can't make this work this year, he won't be able to. This year he shows his value (or lack of) by what we see in the win column.

He's supposed to be a good leader. A good leader would do that. A good leader gets people on his team (more speaking about the coaching/leadership team) that can do their job well (hopefully better than you can do their job), give them some direction, and let them do their job. Let them figure out the best way to get it done and you get out of the way and trust the people you've put on your leadership to to get to the destination/goal you were pointing towards.

I want him to win or be gone.

Unfortunately the Panthers constantly disappoining me have made being their fan not much fun anymore. I haven't 100% given up, but these last few year have made it tough and I'm almost at the point I just want to find something else that won't be a constant disappointment. I'm giving them this year....unless they have a deep playoff run or they fire Rhule and replace him with someone who isn't going to have to take 5 years to figure out how to win, I'm probably going to move on.

Rhule is the reason I am not optimistic about this team. I think everything else it set up nicely for this to be a good team, but I've seen nothing that would indicate he knows how to win. If he gets out of the way and let's his coaches run it, they have a chance, but I don't trust Rhule.

I have no idea what to expect from this team this year. I know they could be good but I also know I don't trust Rhule's game management and I have very little confidence in this team not choking. I think they should win this, but they could just as easily be embarrassed. I do think the game will be close, much closer than it should, and my fear is Rhule gets out coached by a bad coach who is likely one foot out the door himself ...again. I will be watching and pulling for them, but my confidence level is 0.