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If they are happy with a losing coach, have at it. Either winning is the most important thing or it's not. Apparently winning matters less than loving your coach. I don't doubt the players love playing for him. Again, I don't think that ultimately matters. The goal is winning. People loved playing for Jeff Fisher too. But he was a losing coach who had a job much longer than he should have. If a team isn't winning with a coach after a couple years, they have the wrong coach....imo. and my opinion is based on the idea that winning matters much more than anything else. If his players like playing for them and we're still waiting for them to start executing going into his third season....then that's another huge red flag. Something isn't right there. Something hasn't been right. At this point I don't expect it to get right, not by this coach anyways. He just doesn't seem to be able to make it right. They might like him, but he's not helping the win. He's not getting them there. That's his job and he's not doing it. Not well enough.

This. It's also possible to be happy we finally won after so long and still be upset that we played like crap and only won because another bad team played worse. I'm happy for the win, but today did nothing to make me feel we're turning a corner.

Yeah he's really growing into the draft pick we thought he was.

I hope we do. I don't think we will. Not enough bad teams on the schedule.

I remember athletes foot. That really grew on me.

I fully expect the team to be trying to support their coach and it doesn't surprise me. They aren't doing it for any other reason than he needed a confidence booster. They all know he's on a really hot seat and there are few people who think he should be an NFL coach and shouldn't be fired. This was them being nice guys to their bad coach that they like.

Yes. Should have been Shenault. 2nd choice Luvu.

Just me. My job isn't to make sure I don't get insulted. If I do it right that's going to happen. My job is to make sure that when people do disagree they don't get too pissy with each other.

Results are the only thing that matters. If it was just one or two games where things didn't work out quite right, it wouldn't be so bad. The problem with this team is that they are having issues every week. Every week it's a new excuse. There's excuses for things not going right, but eventually a good coach would help us win in spite of the things that go wrong...they'd make adjustments. And the argument for the lack of time with Baker under center with the starters.....that's on Rhule as well. He knew that time was short prior to the season, yet he decided to keep that ruse "competition" going. It was detrimental to the teams ability to compete early on....and that's if Baker sucking isn't a result of him just being a bad QB. Going back to the discussion of good coaches, though, good coaches make things go right, they redirect rhings, when things start trending wrong. This poo has been going on with Rhule love Ng enough to know he can't figure out how to make things right. Captains can't control the weather, but they make sure that their ship handles the storm and that their ship hands all do their job successfully. Rhule is a bad captain.

What can I say ... I suck at this mod thing

Ok... you're bant.

The thing is I'm not going to ban someone for insulting me or disagreeing with me. Ive been wrong a lot in my life and I've probably deserved some insults along the way.

Bad teams become good when you have a good coach step in and it doesn't take years to accomplish it. The effect is drastic and quick.

I don't know and don't care if there are coaches worse than rhule. There probably are, I guess. I'm not interested or satisfied with having "not the worst" coach in the league. I'm not satisfied with having a coach that doesn't win. I don't care what any other team is doing. I'm a fan of the Panthers and I'm tired of having a coach that doesn't help this team win more than a few games a year Kick him to the curb.

It is what it is, but he's also brand new and figuring poo out. This is Rhule's third year. But yes, this game Rhule's team was better. That doesn't happen often. You've got to feel bad for the team who plays worse than ours... except it's the saints so I don't feel bad at all. I will say that if the saints aren't improved next year, they should probably be looking elsewhere...just like we should have.

Coaches make sure their players are prepared for the game. Coaches make sure they have the right plan for the players to win. Coaches make sure the right players are on the field. Coaches make sure that their players are in the best situation to win. Coaches make sure that players have a plan that adapts to situations. Coaches make their players the best they can be so they can win. Rhule and his staff fails at all of this. If the players aren't doing their job, that's in the coaching staff.... ultimately it falls on Rhule.

The worse thing they could do is try to scheme him in.... mainly because their scheming sucks. Just get him on the field and let him go.

Doesn't make him a good coach and it doesn't mean that he should have a job here. It does mean that we've just got low standards. Panthers are more content having a coach they like than trying to find a coach that will bring them success. That loved Fox and they loved Rivera, too. Both should have been fired before they were. Same is true for Rhule.

I didn't expect him to be all pro, but I did expect him to be competent. He ain't that. I thought we were getting him at a discount. Turns out we may have overpaid. I'm starting to understand why Browns went as hardcore for a sexual predator who was going to be missing most of the season. Baker is bad.

He did what I thought he would do. Baker is a horrible QB and because of that he needs safe outlets to throw to. Shenault is the kind of guy he needs. He's a playmaker. Just get the damn ball to him when everything else falls apart. Don't count on CMC, every team knows to key in on him and they've made him essentially impotent. Shenault is your dump off emergency outlet. Keep him on the field.

I'm sorry, but if this was them playing for their coach they are in worse shape than I could have imagined. That offense was horrible. The defense capitalized on another bad offense. You put them against a good offense and they won't look nearly as good. To be honest, I don't care if they love their coach. I think that's great, but he's still a bad coach who shouldn't have a job in the NFL and as long as he is their coach, he's holding them back.

Won't be getting many so I'll take what we can get. It was ugly but that's what we are, an ugly team. We won because the saints with their broken back QB sucked worse. Don't expect much more than this until we play the falcons or some other team with an injured QB, WRs, and no defense.

Btw, I locked this bad thread. I'll delete it later.

You know you don't have to be here if you hate it so much and think it's so toxuc. In fact I can help make you a happier person.