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but the truth is that's the way it goes with QBs drafted in the first round, especially early. either they are great or they suck. there really hasn't been much middle ground.

keep your college biases out of here if you can't see beyond that little world. pumping up someone or inflating their value because he went to your favorite school is annoying, but not near as annoying as the blind hate towards someone that went to a rival school.

have you ever listened to one of his pressers? the answers to your questions are yes...yes...and yes. he's always 1,000% right, it's just that no one can see it.

I think it will be the chargers. Easier QB to work with.

Thread took really weird turn. Nothing good will come of it. Locking it down.

He doesn't want to come here and money won't be enough of a draw.

So there we are with the completely unbiased take.

This was a pretty consistent problem there. He was about the only thing they had going for him. Hard to get a really good gauge on him because that team was so bad.

I actually see him going to the bucs. Just seems like the type guy to follow Brady. The line/team/system is already set up for a immobile pocket QB. That said, if we were going to draft two QBs this year (which I hope we do just to be safe) I wouldn't mind him being an option. I wouldn't feel good about us putting all our eggs in that one basket, though.

he's probably screwed it up for any other QB wanting to be part of some big blockbuster trade with a huge guaranteed contract.

whatever he wants to.

probably. and his rationale for all the losses and spins to make them sound like wins would have been torpedoed a lot quicker and more violently by the press.

if by lucky you mean not run very well, then yes. absolutely.

yep. it was pretty obvious that he'd rather have been with the NYG, but that $62 for 7 years was a pretty good argument. very much a N00b move for a new owner with more cash than any other owner (at the time) and thought that money solved all problems. of course what money does is enslave you to the idea that money makes everything right and more money = more smarts. the reality is it makes everyone stupid and the more you have the more boldly stupid you get...but people listen to you because they fall prey to the myth that money = smart. but yeah....rhule knew what mattered at the moment. money and freedom to do what he wanted as a coach. hurney and tepper basically came to his door begging and pleading and gave him whatever he wanted.

i get the feeling that tepper isn't concerned about how he is perceived...i mean not until after he does something. he impulsively does what he wants when he wants and then hides when backlash comes.

someone gonna get fired.

Did you seriously not know that winning in the first couple years is important? You thought it was ok to lose and keep losing because you have a 5 year plan? Have mercy.

Define "well"

no trades, 7 rounds. CAR 5. C.J. Stroud QB Ohio State 39. Darnell Washington TE Georgia 57. Henry To'oTo'o LB Alabama 88. Ivan Pace Jr. LB Cincinnati 105. Tucker Kraft TE South Dakota State 125. Kenny McIntosh RB Georgia 136. Andrew Vorhees OG USC 202. Spencer Rattler QB South Carolina 223. Sincere Haynesworth OC Tulane

i think we need to take a couple QBs this year. taking one or even two late wouldn't hurt in addition to picking up one earlier.

that's the thing that i have to keep reminding myself of. no matter where you pick, it's going to be a gamble. no way do i think he should be the only addition to the QB room we make in the offseason, either. as fluky as QB can be, it would be hard to justify not coming out of the draft with a couple prospects. We've got to keep swinging.

made a trade at the beginning and picked up a few more. Just did 5 rounds. used PFN draft simulator. Not sure how i feel about it but was curious what it could look like if we held off on QB and took a couple shots at it. flame away. CAR 18. Bryan Bresee DT Clemson 39. Dalton Kincaid TE Utah 48. Henry To'oTo'o LB Alabama 57. Zay Flowers WR Boston College 70. Tommy Eichenberg LB Ohio State 88. Michael Penix Jr. QB Washington 105. Owen Pappoe LB Auburn 125. Jaheim Bell TE South Carolina 136. Tanner McKee QB Stanford

as one who is just tired of losing so much, i wouldn't mind at all winning the rest of the season.

absolutely right. losing every game and winning every game on our easy schedule is just as likely to happen.