rayzor

Retread is only one letter away from retreat. Could mean something, but probably not. Whatever...NO Retreat! NO Retread!

Calling it now, not even knowing who the QB will be..... NFCCG year one of Reich. Year 2.... Superbowl. Fug you Rhule and your 7 year plan.

Friggin yes.

as much as this team is maligned around here by some, this team is probably a TE or two short of being an ideal situation for a new QB to step into. with reich and an up and coming QB, there's no reason that we can't hit the playoffs in year 1. i really appreciated him talking about how if you are doing things right you should be having a quick success. no doubt that was a big part of the conversations he had with tepper and fitt after having to deal with rhule's poo.

gotcha. just from my eye test, which doesn't mean jack, he looks like the real deal. i mean he and bryce both look like they deserve the hype. levis and anthony richardson both have too many question marks for me to feel great about picking them earlier than where we are picking and even then it's kind of like we'd be settling and hoping that they could get coached up. but bryce and cj both showed exactly and consistently what you would want them to show for early draft picks. at least that's what i see.

they are stacked at talent because they get the most talented people...including QB. people say that there's no way stroud would have been as productive without those elite WRS, but would they be seen as so elite without stroud throwing them the ball? i mean i think they both made each other look good, but they were really good to begin with. what we saw of stroud in the game with GA was what he looks like when he doesn't have those elite WRs and he still looked really good, in fact he looked the best and most complete that he has all year. he put that team on his shoulders the way you want a QB to. the only problem was the defense and special teams let him down, but make no mistake....he did everything he could possibly do to win. that loss wasn't on him. they had a chance to win it at the end because he was carrying them. to me, that game proved why he should be drafted in the top 3-5 spots.

them trading away fields to pick up another QB just seems like too much unnecessary work. they figured out how to manage around his skill set. now build up around it. more picks would help them pull it off.

i have trouble seeing mcD wanting to work with a rookie. i've been thinking jimmy G to the jets, but the more i ponder it...maybe if mcD can't get Brady does he try to get jimmy G? there's a chance that they could draft a QB, but i think they'll use their draft capital for something else, probably OL and mcD will want to go after a more known commodity and he knows jimmy G.

i've got this feeling that the colts will actually trade up into the first spot and take levis. not because levis is that good....this is the team that is going to be giving the full time coaching gig to jeff saturday. irsay is calling the shots in between shots and snorts. be ready for anything.

i don't think we'll need it.

interesting comparison. i can see it.

i really feel like all we need to do is get ahead of the raiders because aside from them only 2 teams are going to be looking for a QB and i'm pretty positive that houston will go for young and i just can't shake this feeling that the colts will be going after levis. the raiders are the only huge question mark for me. i think mcD would rather have a vet, but his number 1 target just said he's retiring...again and i don't see rodgers doing anything except going to nashville or retiring. jets won't be going the draft route again. they'll chase after the best vet they can find this time around. probably jimmy G. ravens will probably tag jackson. i don't know...i just don't think there will be a huge number of teams trying to jump up ahead of us. we won't need to trade up to the first or really even the third spot. just trade with seattle or detroit and we'll be alright.

this is from OSU's beat writer, Nathan Baird...

whose job is it to keep the other team from scoring? i'm no expert, but i think it's the defense that does that. you know i'm not even sure that it's the QBs job to kick a clutch game winning field goal.

pretty much all of this. stats don't tell the whole story. very different stylistically. fields relies more on athleticism and will likely have a ceiling of being a medicore passer. he'll be good at what he does, but what he does uses a narrower skillset than stroud. fields is a naturally gifted runner/athlete who can throw when needed. he's a big play guy, for sure, but i don't see him ever being one of the top most talented passers in the league. stroud is a good pocket passer, very natural in that role and he's much better at processing the field. he's kind of the opposite of fields, imo. he's a naturally gifted pocket QB who can run when needed. i do think that stroud's game and style will keep him in the game longer than fields will. fields will take a beating and likely miss a good bit of time because of things happening when he runs. you take his run game away or it diminishes, and he's going to be pretty limited. stroud, being the pocket guy that he is, won't be taking quite the beating that fields will and if you take away his run game, he's still going to be very lethal. i think he's just a much more complete QB.

don't worry, rhule, we'll get it sorted out in 7 years.

i wanted to be excited about him as a prospect. but as the season went on and then when he got hurt.... sorry, not excited. there's probably at least 6 QBs from this draft i would rather have. he's someone i would maybe take a flyer on very late if we got someone like Derek Carr

Lol

What pile of turds did you pull that steamy hot take out of?

I like him. I thought he could be a legit QB. Still might be. It's worth a shot But....it's not worth passing up on trying to get a legit QB this year. Keep swinging.

i don't think he understood the question. that isn't something that i think he has been following here and just wasn't ready to hear that question so it just didn't make sense considering the first question that was asked. he approached it like a follow-up. i'm sure he'll hear a lot about it going forward, but unless you've been in tune to panther specific discussions and concern for the playing surface...which is a new thing for us, then you probably wouldn't know it was such a hot topic.

agreed with all that. no more trading for players. trade them for picks? sure, but i'm over trying to get players, esp. QBs, via trade.

i hope so. there's a part of me that is expecting us to pick up Derek Carr, and while i like him and think he's got a lot left in him and he's not near the reclamation project that sammy or baker was... i'd still rather us find our guy in the first round.