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i never saw it either. too much going on over the weekend for me.

people who think that we could have gotten out of that trade with DJ still wearing a panther uni or that we gave up too much have to realize it wasn't just about us moving up to 1, it was giving the bears incentive to trade down to 9. that's quite a leap so the cost was going to have to be high.

we should do both. one vet and one draft pick TE. BPA among all pass catchers for a few rounds after we get our QB.

pretty much this. add one via trade and then hit pass catchers like crazy in the draft.

If that was what it cost, it's worth it. This year isn't the only year our QB would have to go without a good WR, because they can definitely address it later on. This was the best time to get the QB we needed though, and if the choice is missing out on the franchise QB you want or keeping the good WR you've got, you go for the QB. And I doubt the FO was itching to trade off DJ. They probably tried other options first and didn't succeed. There was likely more teams vying for it so it was going to hurt one way or the other. Chicago wanted DJ so the only way we were likely going to get our QB was to sacrifice him. Later on there might have been a cheaper route, but you've got to make deals when you know you can when the target is that important. You can't speculate for later and hope that something shakes out. You've got to move when you can and pay as much as you need.

I wouldn't.pay any attention to that clamour. It's reporters trying to create a story saying that the Panthers COULD decide they want to trade back down and a bunch of dummies with limited reading comprehension abilities seeing that and thinking it means the Panthers ARE trying to trade back.

Who the fug says we're trying to trade back?

He doesn't, but if they are looking at three guys or whatever and he says, "you really don't want to push your chips all in on this guy" then they probably should listen. Same with any of the rest of the coaching staff/position assistants for a particular position they are looking at. With McCown, he's been around long enough, in enough situations, and with a large sample of good and bad QBs over his very long career that you've got to think he knows his poo.

Yep. Would be a pointless move. As I've said before, why the hell would you waste all that effort to try and ensure you get your top choice only to give up control? You only do a dumbass move like that if you can't decide for yourself which of the two would be best to build around and if they can't figure that out then they aren't as smart as I thought they were.

Not mind games. Don't tell anyone what they are planning because it's really nobodies business until draft day. And yes, I would lose faith in them because it would be a stupid move. Trading back and missing out on the guy you think is best? Why the hell would you do that? And no, it's not a matter of "either one will do." They're going to go through "the process" but for nothing less than convincing themselves that they are making the right decision on the guy I'm sure they have already decided on.

You make that trade because you know who you want and you don't want to take any chance of losing him.

I'd have a meltdown because considering all they did to trade up to #1 it would be stupid to trade back down. Seriously, I would in an instant lose faith in this coaching staff. That just would serm like a move by a group that was more interested in playing with draft picks like they were a game than building a team. You trade up to #1 because you've got a damn plan for the player you have in mind. The truth is they already know who they want. They knew at the combine. Any comments to the contrary from the team is just at playing the game. They may have some durme diligence they feel they need to go through, but I don't doubt for a minute they know in their gut who it is they want.

Wow. Good call.

Yeah, AR is the long shot here. Levis isn't even in the conversation because there's no way McCown would be ok with it. I mean it's not his team, but they didn't pull him in just to groom a QB, they brought him in to help make the decision. I do feel confident that it will be Young or Stroud, though. Whichever one we take I think we own the NFCS. I feel better about Stroud, but ultimately I think we rule with either. I think we'd eventually rule with AR, but it would take a lot of finessing and engineering to put together a team that wins in Reich's first year and we're going to have to hit the gate winning. We're going to get a QB you can start on day 1 with. That's why we traded for the first pick.

This. It's not a matter of "oh....I don't know...let's flip a coin I'm good with either one!" I mean that's where I am, but this coaching staff has an idea of an offensive identity in mind and I'm sure is going over different strategies for both (and I mean both because it's going to be either Stroud or Young). Whatever QB they look at, interview, work out....they are going to be discussing afterwards a plan that they have for each. It won't be the same offense for each because it will be tailored to their strengths, potentials, and current limitations. Whichever plan they think will be the most successful in the short and long term will be the deciding factor. We don't need to be convoluting the process. We didn't trade up to #1 so that we could play a game with the first couple picks. We traded for #1 because we want to make sure when we turn in our card we are going to be getting our first and favorite pick. That's a luxury we paid for and we can't fug it up

I fixed the title and OP

we can pick up a free agent or two this year to give him between targets. It's as if people think that this team.....as it is right now....is the team we're going to be marching on to the field next year. Or, maybe they just don't realize that now "OMG we don't have any targets!!!!" I understand, you're used to this team being run by idiots. That's just not the case anymore. That's not what this coaching staff is comprised of. Just because this is the Panthers doesn't mean every decision they make us doomed. They've turned the corner. We have experienced and successful people running the show now.

I'm leaning towards 1) Stroud, and 2) Young. Honestly a great case could be made for both and I think both excel in the league and will do so for a long time. Young is more exciting, but Stroud is the better passer. I've thought this all along. I think that Stroud is the better long term answer just because I think QBs who rely on their arms more than their legs last longer, but I don't think overall it's a big difference between the two. I think Young is better in front of the camera than Stroud, but that's also not a huge concern. It will be one of those two, though. And I'll be stoked for either one with no buyers remorse.

Again, you are operating under the assumption that he will get who he wants and Reich&Co won't have input or don't have a clue or their opinions are irrelevant. It has to be one of those options. Or, you could leave on at this coaching staff and understand that they were hired to fix the team and Fitt's job is to listen to what THEY want and then make it happen. If this was a team of inexperienced coaches, then Fitt would probably have to balance his experience and knowledge with their lack of it. This isn't the case.

If he was the only brain in the room, as was the case with the past two seasons, then you'd have a legit concern. There are now quite a few more adults in the room, much more knowledgeable than him and who, because they were chosen for the all important job of getting the QB situation fixed,will have a LOT of pull in the decision. And I know they will have a lot of pull because they were picked for their years of combined experience and wisdom. You do not hire that team of coaches and then do whatever you damn well please.... especially when all you've done is fail at picking a QB. You hire these guys and you ask the question, "Who do you want for a QB? Who do you, wise sages, think is the best available QB? Say the name, and I will make it happen." Fitt's talent is making a deal happen after being told by the counill of coaches "this is the guy who will take this franchise to the top, can you get him?" Fitt's response is, "yes, here it is. Here is the path. You go get your QB."

It's not that much, especially since we'll be getting the top QB in the draft according to Frank Reich, Jim Caldwell, Josh McCown, Thomas Brown, etc. I'm sure Evero and Capers will also have some input on the matter as well. I'm sure that this coaching staff and front office wouldn't have made that offer unless they thought there was someone in this draft who was special and could be built around and could make the most of every opportunity and personnel situation he's given.

False report. Merging with other locked thread