rayzor

someone is going to find out what is goin on here...

i just saw this. glad they are having multiple meetings with these guys. i just hope that it's one of Young or Stroud.

AR is a project. I mean they are all projects, but AR is going to take a whole lot of work compared Stroud and Young. I was fine with AR being the pick at 9. I'd be ok with it at even 5. But you don't trade up from 9 to 1 for a project of that magnitude. You better be damn sure you can get him rolling in year one or at the latest year 2. If they pick him and he isn't ready to go after a year or two then everyone involved in that pick should be fired. That's one big fuging gamble and I'm inclined to think it's a fools bet at 1, especially since that 1 is so damn expensive, costing us 2 first rounders, 2 later rounders, and a first round talent WR. And your right, it would be an absolute waste of resources making the whole team, especially including recent acquisitions making them wait for a year. Its just much more likely to blow up in our faces if we did that.

I think they love the idea of AR. So do I. They need to fall in love with more than an idea, though. It really would be a disappointment if they picked him at 1 or even 2. I mean a serious let down. Not as bad as if it were Levis, but still it just wouldn't seem like a very grounded decision.

true. the hope/expectation that we are finally getting another great QB is adding to the excitement. and that w are doing a pretty good job of building the team around that QB.

it could be. i think it's a good dynamic being brought in. it's a different one than it was with Cam, but it doesn't need to be the same. i think this team will be stronger than it was with Cam. that's not at all a knock on Cam, it's a knock on the people who were building this team. they relied too much on him and forced him to have to be a superhero every game, all game, with very little protection up front and help in the wings. and the coaching staff didn't make it much better. Cam made an impact on the culture. Reich is doing that, too. But while i think Reich's impact won't have as much flair, it will be a lot more widespread.

typically i'm like that as well, but for a long time there was no life to the organization. we had started losing and we were ok with it. there was just a sense of apathy and the fanbase needed a recharge, they needed a sense that it was ok to get hyped up about the team. i think the fanbase was mainly a bunch of wine and cheesers (as we used to call them) and the reputation was that when someone did get excited in the stands, they would call security on them to get them to sit down and be quiet when the game was being played. cam brought not just excitement to the playing, but excitement to the team and the fanbase. he was the guy this franchise needed to get it off it's collective ass. he made it fun and the fact that there were moms in Tennessee complaining about him to the press and players on other teams that didn't like his swagger just made it even more fun. they didn't like it, but they couldn't stop him and wouldn't have until the refs made it open season on him allowing all kinds of late and other douchebag level hits on him. when he got pumped up, it had a contagious effect on the team and the fans. he was infectious and in that way, it absolutely mattered that he was more than just a guy who played the position well.

honestly i'm excited about the idea of both of them and i can't wait to see who it is...i just hope it's one of them. my head tells me that CJ is just slightly ahead and would be the more secure candidate (even though it's barely ahead of Young...imo), but i think that Young would be more exciting to watch (again, just barely more exciting because he's like watching a video game).

it is the whole package that i miss. the personality...the swagger, i think i miss that presence being on the team as much as i miss the talent. it's going to be hard for the next QB to bring all of that back. i mean he doesn't have to, but Cam sure made it fun to be a panthers fan. winning will be great, but there was just something about that big personality that i don't think will ever be matched.

i'm trying to sell myself on that and i can see it, but Cam was a whole lot further along in his development and skill as a QB at draft time than AR is so it will be something that would be fun to watch, but at least a year away from being the QB that Cam was right out of the gate.

I feel absolutely great about either Young or Stroud and can't wait to hear which one it is on draft day...if it's going to be one of those two, which it seems it will be. If it's Richardson...i'll be surprised and i'll find a way to be excited about the future. if it's Levis.... i don't know. i'm at best unenthusiastic about him and feel like if i hear his name called it will bring about an even bigger "NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!" from me than hearing Clausen's name did a decade ago. then i'd do what i did with clausen and try to be optimistic.

There is this link ne where he goes from Cowherd to Cowturd. He jumped right over that line into the middle of the poo .... no boots.

I miss him a lot. That's all I'm gonna say about it.

But he did mention 2-3 years experience, which AR doesn't have. That's what rules AR out, it's the lack of experience.

I can't remember specifically but I think that was part of it.

i think initially there were a lot of people that bought Rhule's BS, but it didn't take much time before everyone started seeing it as just that...unless they were with him in college. they drank the koolaid early.

i could see that. that's kind of what Fitt was saying Reich was talking to Thielen about. it wasn't "we want you here because you catch balls." It was "we want you here because we think that you would bring a lot to this locker room and in the building of this team." they valued him more than just being a pass catching commodity. i think we'll be seeing a lot of that kind of thing happening. that reputation for valuing the player and not just the game is going to spread.

i can't remember when i started. '04 maybe? there's still a good few around who were here before i was.

i don't think they are forcing themselves to do anything. i think they had a clear idea of what they wanted early on and just as a natural progression started paring down on those traits and honing in on what they want and it's coming down to basically these two guys. we really shouldn't be surprised if they make up their mine soon, assuming they don't already know (in their collective gut) who it is already.

true. lol i goofed and posted that in the wrong thread, but it works here too.

interesting...he says don't read anything into this discussion going on that Reich only works with big QBs.

if you are pulling more for Young to be the pick, then Fitt's answers sounded like he was pointing to Young. If you're pulling for Stroud more....you listen to Fitt's answers and think, "he could be talking about either one." But i don't think you can listen to his answers and think that he's specifically talking about Stroud and you definitely can't listen to it and think he's talking about AR.