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i could see that. that's kind of what Fitt was saying Reich was talking to Thielen about. it wasn't "we want you here because you catch balls." It was "we want you here because we think that you would bring a lot to this locker room and in the building of this team." they valued him more than just being a pass catching commodity. i think we'll be seeing a lot of that kind of thing happening. that reputation for valuing the player and not just the game is going to spread.

i can't remember when i started. '04 maybe? there's still a good few around who were here before i was.

i don't think they are forcing themselves to do anything. i think they had a clear idea of what they wanted early on and just as a natural progression started paring down on those traits and honing in on what they want and it's coming down to basically these two guys. we really shouldn't be surprised if they make up their mine soon, assuming they don't already know (in their collective gut) who it is already.

true. lol i goofed and posted that in the wrong thread, but it works here too.

interesting...he says don't read anything into this discussion going on that Reich only works with big QBs.

if you are pulling more for Young to be the pick, then Fitt's answers sounded like he was pointing to Young. If you're pulling for Stroud more....you listen to Fitt's answers and think, "he could be talking about either one." But i don't think you can listen to his answers and think that he's specifically talking about Stroud and you definitely can't listen to it and think he's talking about AR.

we got the money. lets get it done! Chark and then Deandre Carter as a return specialist.

looks like we're set up to do a little more shopping...

He's done. He'd been told repeatedly to stop and he didn't listen. I'm not putting up with this poo

Of all the comps I've heard.....

Wilson was lucky. Young is good.

Got stilts? J/k I think he'd be good.

I think there is more discussion for AR than Levis. If I had to rank them it would be Stroud/Young (who is in front depends on the day) Richardson Levis. I think they are excited about the prospect of AR and would love to have a workable plan for him, but he's behind Young and Stroud.

We have had a good few posters with legit inside info from time to time. We've had former players who have joined and posted and we've had people within the org who have joined but never posted. We have had several members who, under previous regimes, we're in the building quite a bit and/or we're in contact with people either employed by the Panthers or because of their work were inside the building a lot. I know I have had info passed on to me in here about things that were going to happen. Sometimes right before it happened. Most of that shut down during the Rhule era. I'm hoping that it comes back, though. I think it's starting to because I'm already hearing a little bit myself. I usually keep whatever tidbits I hear to myself though, because it's not my story to tell. I will say that, as much as I don't like it, there is no consensus inside the building yet for who will be the #1 pick. Young has a camp and Stroud has a camp and both camps have a lot of pull. Weight seems to be fluctuating between the two depending on the day it seems. Personally I don't care which of the two it is. I think both are going to be studs.... depending on the landing spot and situation.

But how can you quantifiably say that Young is superior? It's all subjective. I'm not knocking Young. I think their approach to the game is just different, but both have the potential to be elite. And I haven't seen anything in Stroud's performance to lead me to believe that even with tougher competition and with less talent around him that he couldn't do just as well, in fact that is exactly what happened against GA. I'm leaning towards Stroud, but I would be thrilled with either one and think that with either one we'd rule the NFCS right out of the gate.

what makes Young better? I would consider managing a game to mean keeping awareness of the whole field, where his guys are and where defenders are, whether downfield or in the backfield. It's using that awareness combined with skill, ability, and intuition to limit mistakes and turnovers while also pushing the ball forward efficiently and scoring points. And both are very good at it. I just think that Stroud does better without having to scramble, but, again, both do what they do really well. Also, if you are going off reports about the S2 Cognition Test and how this year's results for QBs are the highest they've ever been and from watching both Young and Stroud that they are both probably among the top of the pack as far as processing ability is concerned. Both are fantastic in their ability to process everything while playing. Both manage the game incredibly well. Both make the most of opportunities. It just seems like Stroud can get most everything done from within the pocket, even while under pressure while Young seems to bail out of it when it isn't completely necessary. Whatever situation either QB finds themselves in, they are able to make it work. You don't have to agree with it. It's just my opinion.

it could be, especially considering that in the GA game he was sacked 4 times and there had only been one other game in which he had multiple sacks to that point and even then it was just 2. also...it's not like GA is your average defense in even the SEC. it's arguably the best that there is. Young didn't play GA last year, but they played them twice the year before...both big games of course. 1st game Young did pretty well, 3 TDs, no INTs, and no sacks. the second game they didn't do nearly as well. Young had 1 TD, 2 INTs, and was sacked 4 times. all in all, imo, as far as the ability to sense and handle pressure in the backfield i think it's kind of a wash. if anything i think Stroud is able to handle it better so that he doesn't have to resort to running. it's not that he doesn't trust his legs to get him out of trouble, it's that he'd rather use his legs to scramble and find the best passing option and he does really well with that. And he's usually able to do that without bailing out of the pocket. Young will use his legs to scramble, but i think he bails out of the pocket probably sooner than he needs to. The thing is that he's able to still make it work. I think he's better than Stroud at that kind of thing, but not much better. Young is probably the more entertaining of the two because he's able to make so many plays on the run, but it might be that he does that kind of thing so often when it could have been avoided, which is something that Stroud is able to do...avoid bailing out of the pocket. Young is a magician because he has to be due to his style of play. Stroud doesn't have to be due to his style of play. I would be incredibly happy with either, but i think that i would prefer stroud more. i think that his style of play makes him less susceptible to injury and eventual mistakes than Young does. Young's size doesn't bother me much. Young's relying on his mobility and his legs more makes him more susceptible to injury and mistakes. again, all just my opinion.

well....

yeah i think that a lot of the magic young uses was needed because of the situations he allows himself to be put into. stroud just hasn't needed it. i think the processing abilities and quickness are very high for both. i think that stroud may just be the better of the two at managing the game.

i looked at the number of times that both Young and Stroud were sacked in college... Young - sacked 63 times in 3 years. 2020 - 6 (9 games) 2021 - 39 (15 starts) 2022 - 18 (12 starts) Stroud - sacked 26 times in 3 years. 2020 - 0 (2 games) 2021 - 13 (12 starts) 2022 - 13 (13 starts) i couldn't find number of pressures, but i was kind of shocked that Stroud took so many less than Young.

i don't know...stroud always looked like a very mobile and elusive QB in the backfield. He just seemed reluctant to take off running and looked fairly awkward when he did...up until the game against GA and then he looked completely natural. He may not have that spidey sense that Young seems to have, but he always seems really aware of everything in the backfield and upfield. they both have a very good sense of awareness.