rayzor

gotcha. still thin threads backing the argument, but then i think it's kind of an overall thin argument against. i just don't know that it's worth the attention that has been given it. i asked before and i don't think anyone answered it...where is the line where it's no longer dangerous? where is the line for too small vs. just big enough and what makes it a line worth drawing?

so is young going to have to go to canada for a big chuck of his career to pad stats/be safe?

I remember players rarely used #1 before Cam. Warren Moon of course did a few decades before Cam and a couple other QBs wore it for a year or two, but that was just something you didn't do. Cam made it ok. I'm sure there will be some flavor for wearing 0, but people will get over it and used to it.

but is it enough of a weight to decide to not draft him at 1? compare that with all the other things being brought to the table and i just don't think it's enough to say "nah...i'll pass." if you have him and CJ completely level in all regards except for size, i guess you'd go for the bigger one, i don't know. i just don't see it as the major concern everyone else does. it's an issue, but not enough to just say no to the guy.

i don't know...i think you're reading too much into this idea that there hasn't been anyone this small to play the position in the pros. there's always going to be someone who is the biggest, the smallest, the oldest, the youngest, the darkest, etc. there's always going to be someone who does what hasn't been done before and when you give someone a chance the next reaction will be, "why haven't we done this before?"

i have days where i'm going stroud and others where i'm going young, but it's never a "please don't draft that guy" for either one.

but and respectfully, it's not an educated conclusion that since he's smaller than any other QB that he will get hurt or that since he is smaller than any other QB he is more likely to get hurt. The fact that he's would be the smallest would be a fact that stands on its own. it doesn't need any other context than he's small. i mean what's the cutoff for what is a safe size? and don't take any of this to mean i'm picking Young over CJ. I'm high on both of them.

exactly. you can't know. there's no guarantee of health or injury for any player.

or you can choose to see that big question is no bigger for any other player. you can't accurately predict injury for anyone. so why bother?

Can't live in fear. Got to swing for the fences and take a chance. We've seen players of all sizes have injuries happen that shorten their career and you can't predict really any of them. What if he takes a crazy hit and his career ends in 2 years? But what if he doesn't take any serious injuries and he plays at Mahommes level or better for a 10-15 years? If he's capable of doing great things...you've got to focus on that.

what if you can have both in one?

from what i've heard, his work ethic and dedication to the tape is just as elevated as Kuechly was. Supposedly he knows where not only his players, but defender players are supposed to be at any point during a play. He's supposedly that deep into preparation. In there before the coaches watching tape post game and pregame, coming up with plays to help take advantage of things he sees. I'm really high on both guys and think they will both be elite, but Young's mind for the game impresses me probably the most.

people talk about Brees and Brady and about their ability to get the ball out quickly and that prolonged their career. Young is uber mobile and hyper aware of his surroundings and he's well known for being a fast processor and that has helped save his butt, i'm sure, on more than a few occassions. Consider this...what makes anyone think that Young wouldn't be just as able to get the ball out faster the way other great QBs have learned to? What if he was just as smart and able to get the ball out quickly just like those other great QBs and he could still do all the other Young stuff we've seen him do?

what's cool is that there is a QB in the draft that just might be the QB equivalent of Kuechly.

too much truly unnecessary information. i mean someone could and probably is making an argument for the Wonderlic's value, but i think it's always been overstated and has probably (definitely) done more harm than good, especially in keeping very talented players from playing QB who test poorly but have a very high level of football intelligence.

glad it's getting dropped from the combine. not sure why we would be hanging on to it.

what makes me feel confident about this is that we don't have just one guy making the decision. Especially one arrogant, not as smart as he think he is, guy making this decision on a gut feel, unchecked. What we've got is a TEAM of great coaches and talent evaluators from diverse experiences and backgrounds who will be making this decision. Obviously some opinions will carry more weight than others, but i' sure that whoever they get that it will be a great call and that they will have everything in place needed around this young talent to ensure success early.

But it is an unintentional warning that this could potentially blow up in our faces.

I haven't read all of that yet. I plan to, but bringing up similarities between what we're doing and what san fran did leading up to their drafting of Trey Lance is the ultimate buzz kill. I'll read more later...maybe

They got to catch him first.

What can I say....I feel optimistic for the first time in a long time. Ain't no tapping the brakes around here.

40/750/6 That's what I expect. And he'll be our 4th best receiver.

I think they all have had their minds set on someone since the combine. It's just that they don't all have the same name in mind, but they are all sure that you can't go wrong here and that the move to #1 was the ONLY way to be sure to get the guy they all will want when they come to a consensus.