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I have met, talked and interacted with Tepper several times, even joked with him. He is not what you all say he is. Besides what he says in public (he's hiring football people and letting them do their jobs), he's not here to make everyone happy. He's here to make money and eventually win, but it takes time. I personally hate the personal attacks from people who don't know and only assume. If you don't like a business decision, then fine.

I would love for them to draft Neal or Cross at LT with the 6th pick, but I see them trading back and getting a 2nd and/or a 3rd. Hopefully still getting a top OL but maybe A QB mid 1st round. Then using picks to draft OL and DL. I think they feel with BC he can play LT or LG and Elflein at C in case they don't get somebody to start day 1. Depends on FA and who they sign. Since DL takes longer to develop I see a vet there (a space eater/run stopper).

All the negative posts are BS to read. This forum use to post football logical stats and opinions. You can beat up Rhule will stats, I'll read and understand. But the over exaggerated negative one line junk posts ruin what use to be a decent forum to talk football. I am a frustrated fan, but I still look and hope for the positives. I will say when it's bad, back it up with stats. Rhule and Panthers didn't ruin this forum, the people in it. Maybe Rhule will stink another year and get fired or leave for a job in college, so be it. All I want is what they do now while in the job are positive moves that make us better next year. Can't we just talk about what we hope happens, or who we draft and why, backing it up with football logic?

This is a tough crowd in here. Bengals coach Zac Taylor had like 6 or 7 wins his 1st 2 years. In his 2nd year, he lost his best player for most of the season (Burrow). We lost our best CMC for most of the year. The 2 upsets yesterday were won with defense and running the ball. We have a real good defense. All we need is a couple of breaks (health wise) and players to play up their ability (Anderson, Brown, etc) and we might be decent next year. Fingers crossed.

She kept the posts real and fun while understanding the role as the media arm for the team. She even helped me get blue checked on IG a few months ago. She was a class act and a really good person.

That's what made me think that.

Looking at how good Burrow was with Chase and knowing all the other top players on that team, maybe Brady had nothing to do with their success. Same with many OCs out there. Having great players is a big part of their success. A truly great OC can make any group of players and adapt his playbook and still win.

He's being honest. Now we don't want him to tell us the real reason why? In hindsight, every team that didn't take Mahomes should be shamed. What about when the Giants took Eric Flowers several years ago. He was a can't miss tackle and he was a bust. Nothing is for sure. Is he making some mistakes, yeah. But who's perfect? I think Jaycee will be great for the Panthers. I think Mac Jones will be successful in NE, more than he would have been in Carolina. Fields is a wait and see. What did Sewell do in Detroit? Is it him or the team. Hindsight is a beautiful thing to learn and move forward, not dwell on the past.

In the last game, they commented how TB's O-line only 1 guy missed 1 game and we had like 14 different line ups for the year. If Sam had their O-line, he would be better. Not Brady level but just better. We have nothing to lose for next year as we're probably not going to trade or sign high end FA QB. It's gonna be a draft pick, probably a 4th or 5th round pick to develop behind Sam. Then either sign or draft a 1st RD QB in 2023 with a better team around him. I hope we trade back a few spots, pick up a 2nd or 3rd and take the Center Tyler Linderbaum. Even if it means passing up on LT Neal from Alabama (who I really like). I would rather go with Brady at LT then Eflien at Center. Sign a Top G and play Brown at G and it gives us a chance. We need the middle of then line to hold up even more than the tackles as a QB needs to step up to avoid pressure.

So every team had a new HC, new OC and new DC and turned over a good portion of the roster? Be freakin real with your answers.

So a new coach to NFL takes over a team in the middle of a complete world shut down, can't interact with his players and even scout guys, so he relies on past college players to get him up and running. Then with no fans or real player interaction, starts with the daft and rebuilds a defense that sucked. I don't count 2020. And on top of it, we got out of cap hell. What happens if Luke doesn't retire or CMC doesn't get hurt? Is Rhule doing everything right, no. But I don't think everybody can lump it all on him. Even drafting Horn was a good move but he got hurt (same day as CMC). How is that on him? The O-line is on him. Taking a chance on Sam was a good move when the other attempts didn't pan out. Picking up his option, not good. Giving Robbie more money or thinking Erving can be a starting LT also didn't work out. Luvu and Reddick worked out. Fox has been decent. But some guys show up great in practice and crack when out there. I'm not defending him but I don't count 2020 as a real year. Between Covid and the cap and everybody being new, it was a screwed up year. I'm just trying to be logical. Tepper (IMO) is not looking for quick results, he's looking for long term gains as in a consistent winner. He's hoping Rhule can do what he did in college. Nothing is a sure fire full proof winning formula. It took both Brady and Belichek to turn it around in NE and stay that good. Npndy has a franchise QB for 15+ years.

I saw the entire team on Friday and they looked loose. I even watched some of the defensive walk throughs. They looked like normal, getting ready for a game. It doesn't feel like a bad environment. I truly believe when people don't know the real story, every story put out there is believed. They have work to do and people have to make steps in the right direction so we'll see. Some things obviously didn't work out. Some did. Since we all can't do anything about it, we have 2 choices. Support them no matter what as a fan or jump off and find a new team to root for. It's like at a company, some people love the new boss and some don't. I am just gonna give it time. Maybe in college it took 2 to 3 years to turn around a program, but learning the NFL and its ways may take a little longer. We've got nothing to lose but to see. It's not like we were doing anything really good since 2016 on anyway. Tepper did say it could take 5 years when he hired Rhule. There's no reason to not believe someone who's had success at 2 different colleges couldn't do it in the NFL, he just may need a little more time. We don't want a flash in the pan, one great year and then back to square one. They, and fans want a consistent winner.

Don't we get 2 conditionals (a 3rd or 4th round pick) or 1 or each? Reasons: Burns is identical and Gross is a future (stronger DE). If Gillmore signs and we like Taylor, we have Horn as our #1. Get the picks but not doing anything.

Good article. I think when Rhule wanted his guys, he wanted guys who knew his process, especially during 2020 and Covid. I don't think it was and idea it just didn't work out. OC Brady was good but they didn't give him time with Teddy or the team to develop. No CMC. At the end of 2020 we saw something with the defense. They would have been better keeping Teddy, as that was their big mistake. By the end of 2021 (now), we would have solid defense and we could have drafted a QB or signed one while building the O-line and have the cap space to do it all. Having no CMC hurt Sam and Brady. Dallas exposed us in week 4 and we never recovered. Maybe they mean the process is working as in the coaches starting to figure out what they have to do all game long, not just the first series. I like Snow and I think Rhule will get it or at least I hope he does. He built 2 programs up and yes that was college, but success is success and maybe he just needs little more time in the NFL than in college. I'm gonna see the players tomorrow so I see the mood.

What if Brown is sucking at practice is the reason he's not playing? If they put him out there, he'll be worse than what's out there, what if? IDK the answer but if the kid hasn't shown a solid glimpse in practice does he deserve to get a shot to just please the fans?

Idk you can completely change an offense mid season. So for next year, I can see more under center play action plays.

Didn't see the game. Thx

I would love to see a competitive game even if we lose.

Several factors. 1st being CMC. It changes the game plan and the way they block based on the runners style. Different QBs. And I think teams are blitzing us more or run blitzing us as they know we can't really run (why Rhule wants to run the ball). Even Moton is not having an all-pro year but still solid. Changing QBs, lots of injuries. Sometimes it's more of that and the fact we don't have the greatest talent level across the line only adds to it. Stability to have the same 5 guys with just one or two missing some time would have helped but we don't even have that.

How BC plays at LT the next 2 games will help determine what they do. If they feel they need a LT, then they'll get one in the 1st. If the want a top G or C, they may drop a few slots and get a 2nd rd pick back and then take C/G in the mid 1st rd. No matter what, we need OL players.

What choices do we have? Paradis is out and done (never really recovered from his sever leg injury). Erving is Erving. Brown has to mature and get in shape. I saw him personally last week and he looks like a heavy HS kid. Miller and Jordan as low level FA signings, we shouldn't have high expectations. We resigned Moton. Eflien doesn't too bad as a center, so it's something next year. We are gonna draft 5 or 6 and get the Alabama LT. In the 3rd or 4th, we can get a Guard. Sign a good FA guard and we're at least better than this year.

Tepper gave Rhule a 7 year deal because he had to match what he had in college. He also promised him time to rebuild. If he doesn't give him at least 3 years, no coach will trust him to come here. They'll all want a 5+ year contract knowing if he's fired me in 2, I'm still getting paid. In his position (that he put himself into) he has no choice but to see what year 3 brings.

What do you think the Browns felt after getting rid of Belichick about 25 years ago? Not saying Rhule is that at all, but sometimes it takes more than 2 years to figure it all out and completely change over a roster, no cap space for the first year, all while Covid is effecting everything for your first 2 years. When the wheels come off, everything looks bad. He needs to change a lot but it's not all on him. Missing blocks, dropping the ball, throwing the ball short, injuries or not tackling someone is not on him. It's a team game.

What options does Cam have next year? Practically none because he's just not the same great player he was. A few million a year to play a supportive yet still "game day active and in the game plan" role, why not. He loves Charlotte and most love him. Cam also came back more humble with a different perspective. If he wants to still play, this probably would be his only way then just being a back up holding a clip board. We have a 90% chance of Darnold being on the team next year, because of his contract. Build the O-line and keep the defense Elite and see what happens. Remember when Tepper hired Rhule he said this could take up to 5 years to start turning this around and into a consistent winner. I think he was going to give Rhule time to figure it out at an NFL level. 1 good O-line signing and 2 top draft picks and the O-line turns around quickly. You can't fix everything in 1 year but in 3 to 4, maybe. I don't think any of us have a choice.

https://pantherswire.usatoday.com/2021/12/25/espn-jimmy-garoppolo-jordan-love-panthers/ In a little imagining of how the 2022 quarterback carousel could spin, ESPN staff writer Bill Barnwell crafted together three distinct scenarios for the upcoming offseason. And one of those timelines (perhaps the worst possible one) has the Panthers acquiring good ol’ Jimmy G for a conditional 2023 draft pick. “If the Panthers strike out in their moves to acquire a superstar under center, Garoppolo is a logical Plan B,” Barnwell writes. “We know that he has more upside than it might seem — the 49ers did make it to a Super Bowl with him, after all — and he wouldn’t preclude them from going after a quarterback in the 2023 draft. This would be a third-round pick in 2023 that could rise as high as the first round if Garoppolo plays 16 games and Carolina makes the playoffs.” We’re still waiting, now at the end of year No. 5 as a starter, on that upside from Garoppolo—whose play hasn’t exactly been inspiring. Speaking of uninspiring, such a move would make Sam Darnold dispensable and lead to—as Barnwell further suggests—a trade to the New Orleans Saints for Carolina’s failed project. The second scenario that involves the Panthers has Green Bay Packers backup Jordan Love packing his bags for Charlotte. This proposed deal would send the 2020 first-round pick over for the same price they got Darnold for—second and fourth-round selections. “While Carolina has attempted to trade for star quarterbacks over the past two offseasons, this scenario would leave the market with none available,” he writes, leaving Aaron Rodgers with the Packers for the future. “The Panthers might not want to use another midround pick on a quarterback who isn’t a sure thing, but facing the horror of going into 2022 with Sam Darnold as their top option, Love would be a low-cost, high-upside alternative. They reportedly took a close look at Love before the 2020 draft.” We got our first real look at Love this season in a spot-start for Rodgers. The 23-year-old, in his first career start, completed 19 of his 34 throws for 190 yards, a touchdown and an interception against the Kansas City Chiefs back in Week 9. So, are you feeling the Love or would you rather shimmy with Jimmy? (We’ll see ourselves out now.)