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Just comparing the Tenn game vs the GA game, I would take CJ. I trust Fitterer and staff to make the right call based on the offense they want to run and what pieces they put around the QB.

Let's say the price is too high to move up to 1 or 3. "Look at what SF gave up to get Lance and he's done nothing in 2 years". It's a risk. If the Bears don't get a huge haul they can just take a great player - not a QB. Maybe we get in at 5 or 6 and take Levis as CJ Stroud and Young will be gone in the top 4. But if you stay put and AR is at 9, do you take him and build around him, like a TE and WR in the 2nd through 4th? Is 9 to high for AR. He is a project and I can't see teams moving up to get him that high. If you look at Fields who dropped to 11 and he had more production on tape. Even if you resign Sam for a year, give Corral a shot to develop and AR some time, you can still have a playoff team with a good draft and a couple of good FA pick ups and then go for it all by 2024. I trust in Fitterer and the FO to do what is best so I'm just thinking out loud.

https://pantherswire.usatoday.com/2023/02/13/panthers-acquire-bears-qb-justin-fields-2023-mock-draft/ The Carolina Panthers passed up on their chance to grab Justin Fields almost two years ago, instead selecting cornerback Jaycee Horn with the eighth pick in the 2021 draft. But will they get a redo this spring? Well, 33rd Team’s scouting department believes they may—or at least should. In their latest 2023 mock draft, the group of T.J. McCreight, Kevin Cohn, Justin Casey and Evan Pritt—all of whom have NFL front office experience—gets creative with Carolina’s first-round selection. Rather than drafting and developing their own franchise quarterback in this projection, the Panthers trade their ninth overall pick to the Chicago Bears in exchange for Fields. Yup, straight up! Fields is fresh off a record-breaking 2022 campaign, one in which he rushed for the most yards (178) by a quarterback in a game. The electric playmaker finished up with 1,143 yards on the ground, second only to Lamar Jackson’s all-time mark for single-season rushing yards by a quarterback (1,206) set back in 2019. Through the air, Fields was a bit less impressive from a statistical standpoint. He completed 60.4 percent of his throws for 2,242 yards, 17 touchdowns and 11 interceptions. But would new Panthers head coach Frank Reich be able to unlock Fields’ gifts as a passer? And if so, would he—with two years of NFL play already under belt—expedite the process and be worth the ninth pick?

Why do you believe that?

I really liked and have som much respect for Wilks (met him personally a few times) but I understand the offensive minded approach the Panthers wanted to go. What Wilks did with a wounded team what great. I bet if we didn't collapse during the Bengals game and had a better showing at the Bucs it might be different. (Falcons loss wasn't on him). I would like to believe if he did get the Panthers to the playoffs, that would have been enough to get the long term job. But what sucks in the NFL is if you have a great coordinator, they get taken and you can't build consistency. Look at the Bills this year vs last without Daboll. You almost need an offensive minded HC to keep the QB and offense consistent. That, IMO, is probably why they didn't go with Wilks. If they hired a defensive minded coach, they everybody would have rightfully screamed foul and may have been right, but they didn't.

With ALL that talent on that roster, why would you believe that OC is worth a HC job? I would think the NYG OC Kafka did more with a lot less talent. The Eagles are loaded with talented players. And those plays were not amazing play designs, just good plays by good players and there's too many to cover.

Do you listen to what they say. They are going to keep trying until they get someone at QB. Develop or trade. It's not easy finding or landing a franchise QB. They started with Teddie and who knows if that was Rhule or Brady or Teddy or the combination why that didn't work out. They tried for Stafford and even Watson, there was nobody else out there. When they got Darnold and gave him the extra year, it was a calculated risk. 18 mil for 1 year, but if he plays good that first year, he's getting 35+ mil a year with like 60-100 mil guaranteed. They took a calculated risk. Trading for CJ was again a calculated risk. A 9th overall pick maybe just needed a change of scenery. He's a good 3rd or 4th CB. We just needed him to start at the end, which was over his head. At least they are trying. The trades to move up and down the draft have been smart. Not every move is gonna work out but the core is there and we might be a few moves and a good coach from making the playoffs. We almost made it to the end with what we had at the end.

I will start by saying I am a huge GM Scott Fitterer fan. Down to earth and common sense smart guy. I like the chances he took. Some worked, some didn't. I believe the formula of building the trenches, added some speed last year and now going for playmakers this coming year is solid planning. I've talked with him, he's about value and fitting it all in the cap. You can't go all in if you're not ready to go for the SB (like the Eagles getting AJ Brown, etc). Fans wanna sign this guy or that guy but it's gotta time out and play out right. Look at Buffalo going all in with Von Miller and he's out. Rams got lucky last year but they're out of this for years. Injuries and a helluva lot of distractions held this team back from at least making the playoffs this past year, even if they wouldn't have gone far. IMO, they didn't take the Burns deal because the 1st round picks were 2024 and 2025, not 2023. The defense didn't go backwards. Changes and injuries kept them from progressing forward. In 2023 I see them possibly trading up to #3 for a QB (Cards) as the Bears don't need one and the Texans will take one. After that pick #4 on need a QB so if one of the top 2 are still there, I can see them taking a chance at 3. Otherwise wait to see who's at 9 or even trade back slightly to like 12 or 13 and get someone. But build a solid team of playmakers. Even Sam played better with a solid O-line. Give Matt a chance and either draft someone or sign a good QB like Daniel Jones if he wants to come back to NC and needed a change of scenery. Not saying he's the answer, but like that. I wouldn't go all in for drafting a QB and then don't have the pieces around him to make the team or that young QB successful. They are going to keep taking chances and develop QBs until they hit which is the only thing you can do. And Yes, the HC and staff will play a major part in all that. But I trust Scott and Dan Morgan (if he doesn't get picked up) to build a winner next year (meaning at least a winning season that makes the playoffs. Again I think 2022 showed some good things and what they need to fix. I am optimistic about 2023 as there is no definitive front runner. Positive or negative whats your thoughts on the season and future?

Taking over being the captain on a sinking ship, then you lose your best player, gimme a break. He did a real good job. The players love him, the people in the building like him, the city likes him. Give them a good draft, a couple of good signings and a creative OC. Sam and Matt with a drafted QB, that O-line and with our 2 starting CBs back. Even the WR's couldn't get open with that O-line and protection. Need another great WR so 3 wide could actually scare someone deep. With the Rams and other teams needing coaches it's gonna be a battle. At least interesting to see.

Precisely.

Great reasons listed about TB. I also see a team that barely won their last 2 wins (late game pushes because of Brady). They are NOT playing their best and lets hope we can start good and finish great because Brady can squeak it out at the end after playing like crap for 55 minutes. Horn being out will be the key. Can we answer.

Wilks and Holcomb has to jump in midship. The defense is probably not designed the way he would call it if he had an entire offseason and training cap to prepare the player with it. How can you judge it?

I've read all the comments, here's what you're missing... Sam has said this time around he's being patient and taking what the defense is giving him. That may be more of a "game manager type" but he does throw the long ball and he does run on some plays to make things happen AND he's not turning the ball over. Sam also said he spent time while injured learning from the defense and what they see in an offense and how they defend it. He got a reverse look at playing in an offense system. Probably losing out to the starting job (1st time ever) was humbling and soul searching. It may also take a couple of years to relearn the game (bad habits) when he started and played in such a bad system (Jets). I hope he sticks around and gets to compete with our next draft choice. That's what Wilks would do, let them compete for there starting job, not just say you're the back up (you've got to earn where you play). Some people have a hate for him no matter what and he deserves some of the heat because of his past. But for 4 games, he's playing mistake free football as the team learns its identity. And defense wins championships. In all of Mahomes's greatness, he lost the SB to TB because he didn't have an offensive line worth anything but had all that talent around him. It's still a team game and we're starting to play like a team on all 3 sides. Enjoy the next game. It's gonna be fun. And let's hope Horn is all right.

New York (the big city environment and fans) has to be tough place to play for anybody. I also don't think Fields will be great. He can run is why he's so good right now. It's not easy predicting who's going to be a franchise QB. Besides skills, it's leadership under pressure what ultimately determines if they can handle the position. That you can't really tell until you see them play in the NFL.

IDK what you pay him, just keep him here. Solid player and a great person, personally and in the community. Him and his wife are always doing things for kids and families. He's a soft spoken guy who like Luke, becomes an animal on the field. We need him to stay in CLT for a while.

Belichick struggled with the Browns, before going to the Jets for a day, then Pats. Raid did good in Philly, they just jumped too fast. Most OCs are good OCs because they can manipulate plays, angles, timing, etc. A head Coach is so much more. It's a Parcell guy who can motivate and keep it all together and lean on his OC & DC to handle the job, while supporting them and knowing what to do at times. Wilks is our guy.

Wilks all the way. Who ever he brings in at OC, I am fine with. A decent draft with a couple of good FA signings and this team could ball. Next year: QB is Darnold, a 1st rd pick (develop) and Corral (lets see). He's got the team playing hard, the fans behind them, why disrupt that and roll the dice. Wilks is a class guy, even great with the media (doesn't say stupid things) and has them playing at a high level.

When I saw Jimmy G's injury I thought this would be a possible move. Best for both parties.

We are not giving the Saints draft picks so this won't happen.

I don't control the volume, but I can tell you this. The louder it is, it helps "disrupt" the other teams offense. It seems louder when the crowd in not loud at all. When the fans are loud the PA system is not loud enough. Not just music, PA, videos, but everything. Also with video, PA and music, the louder it is, it naturally causes fans to be loud. Plus the speakers are directed towards the stands and they need some of that sound to translate to the field (especially when the other team is sending in plays to the QB).

The song before the player video and intros is The Drum by the Siege.

Lacrimosa by Apashe. Obviously it's a music only loop.

A head coach has to lead men and give direction, an identity. An OC is suppose to design an offense and a DC the defense. His DC is doing a damn good job (his choice). Parcells lead the players, Belichick called the defense. They had decent OCs. How many people would have been successful in this environment? And to trade away your best player, but trade away a cancer on the team too (his choice). He changed the mindset already. The team in most games (except Cinn) were competitive. The team played hard. The team, the organization the city needs some stability. Look at Denver, bring in a top OC to coach and a top QB and where are they? It's not always a proven formula. I would think everyone wants a Tomlin, consistent winner, in most games, but has only one 1 championship - still good. Players love playing for him.

Wilks is exactly what this team and city need. The local guy who players LOVE playing for. He's not flashy, but real. The building has been different since he took over and we don't look like a team about to roll over for a top pick. He using this season to build a winning culture after 2+ years of IDK what? Give him a 3 year contract with at least 2 years to see what he can do. The defense is showing it can be a top 10 defense. Let's see what a year of picks and FA signing can do for the offense. IMO, If we don't, he could be attractive to other teams each week and the price goes up and the length of the deal goes up. #Wilksfan

This is off. RB was an upgrade (look at CMC in 2019) WR was an upgrade (Gina, Brown, Level, etc) CB - At least a push (Horne, Jackson and we did have Gilmore for a season). S - Chinn is an upgrade QB, LB and TE - it's hard to replace 3 of the greatest to play the game in their prime.