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What happens if team don't blow away Houston with an offer? It will be toxic if he stays there. They might be forced to take less just to move on. And the longer or closer to the draft it gets and no deal is better for any team wanting him.

If we can get him and not give up our 1st, we should to it. Then either QB or another top player (CB or LB) and then a OL in the 3rd and we'd be sitting nicely.

Sewell won't make it to 8. Would love it and would jump on him picking him too.

Sounds like we all agree. You need a good O-line to compete, Elite QB or not. yes, we want a franchise QB but until we build that O-line, it doesn't matter was my point. I also think that defense made a difference too. 2 great LBs and JPP being like a Burns. They cover the run and pass so well.

Exactly.

Mahomes magic could not get it done. He was running for his life. Brady didn't play lights out. He had a good line and game plan. But the Bucs LB's were killer and they put pressure on QBs and knew how to cover a great TE's. Having Mahomes and all that weapons did nothing for them. All the talk of having a franchise QB doesn't mean a lot when you don't have a team around him. Look at both teams for confirmation. All the talk of how bad we need a franchised QB is not the end all - be all answer. We need Moton back and a solid LT ASAP (draft or FA). Maybe when the cap lower next season, someone will be available that we didn't expect.

Just what happens he knows Seattle is going to go into rebuild mode. Moving Wilson would save money and bring a lot of draft picks. With the cap going down, why not if those factors are true?

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/02/07/report-seattle-has-received-calls-about-a-possible-russell-wilson-trade/

No it's not. Brees helped the Saints fix their problem. He wasn't getting the "salary" anyway, just like Luke didn't. They let him keep his bonuses. It cuts the cap, not kicked it down the road. Why don't more players do that for their teams when they retire? Just the base salaries as the bonuses are locked in.

why couldn't we have done that with Luke in his base salary?

I think this is a good angle. Answering questions smoothly and quickly shows how you can process things quickly. It's a small sample but never less a sample.

I really see NE Pats taking him at 15. We should not take him at 8. If he fell to the 2nd round, I would take a chance on him.

Potentially a good signing. Even if he makes the team as the 3rd TE. Not like we have all pros lining up at TE.

The only part that's realistic is that it drops the Texans cap way down. And we still have Teddy and his salary to deal with. Very lopsided and only will work if the Jets and Dolphins are not interested in Watson. Even Atl can't do that and the Lions and Bengals won't.

You're probably right and a man of reason on here. My small fear is Watson is another Cam on a 2nd contract. He plays very physical and runs a decent amount. Will one day it take its toll and he's only great for another few years? That's why I would rather have a Trevor or build a team and wait.

I agree, but we don't know "how deep or hard" they tried? It could be just due diligence and perception for the fans that they are trying every angle, so if it doesn't happen, they don't like they didn't try. If we are going to give away the farm, go for Trevor. He's as close to a sure thing in the draft as possible. But Watson and Mahomes were not #1 picks either so maybe wait. Its a crap shoot to a degree. Exciting if anything to see how it all unfolds.

More important than an arm is the mind and how fast you can process information. Brady didn't have an incredible arm but was smart as hell. Also, had an amazing coach and a great team around him most of the time. All QBs have decent to great arms or they wouldn't be a starting college QB. And a running QB has a shorter life span. Look at the QBs that play into their late 30's and 40's. Non are running QBs.

That's what the Bears did. Most times drafting a QB is a gamble at any spot. Stafford was at least proven. If they don't get Watson without giving away the farm, I don't see it. If you're gonna give away the farm for #2, might as well go for #1, it's less of a gamble with Lawrence, but i don't see them giving away all this picks. Our new GM is proven to be a guy who accumulates picks.

But what about the O-line and players we'll need over the next year or so, so this drafted QB and the team can thrive?

Watching the Stafford trade and knowing we can not afford to trade for Watson makes me think. We can not afford to give up too many picks to move up (maybe 1 slot) and the top 3 QBs will be gone. If the Panthers don't love Lance (which is risky since he's only got 1 great year against not so great talent), I can not see them drafting a QB at 8. I think maybe they'll sign a back up plan for a year in case they don't a QB later in the 1st round or early rounds, but they have a decent QB in Teddy. I think they can trade back and get a Mac Jones or some one else while acquiring more picks. But trading back, getting more picks and building a solid foundation for the next few years and keep that turning until the perfect franchise QB is found, traded for or developed is my prediction. Getting a couple of more 2nd or 3rd round picks could be what we need to get us (along with a healthy CMC) to a fringe playoff team. Tepper said he's not looking to build a quick winner but a long sustainable and perennial winner. Having a good solid team all around is needed, especially on the O-line which we are hurting is needed. Maybe we don't get out franchise QB until 2023. Even if we drafted Mac Jones in the 2nd or 3rd round and he turned out great a year or so later, it would take a couple of years to build the rest of the team around him any way. The reward has to out way the risk. Look at teams where it set them back. The Bears are a good team but can't get over the hill because they went all in with Trubisky. Denver has been searching for 5 years. SF put too much in on an unproven Jimmy G. This is all speculation but I would rather have a winning team, year in and year out then take the risk on a pick at QB because that's what my fan base wants. Even with a decent QB, we can be 10-6 or better ever year and maybe once year it takes us to the top, but always searching for that 1 QB who can be there for 12-15 years, knowing we have a team around him. Also, my thought goes this way because the QB contracts are out of hand. Dallas is fearful about committing so much to Dak. Rams screwed themselves. Mahomes could have got more but he did it like Tom Brady so they can have a team around him. Not every QB is like that. Just my thoughts and would love to hear yours, not just bash this.

I wouldn't do it and here's why. I love Watson as a franchise QB but.... If we get him and his salary, we may not be able to sign Moton or any really good FA's and we'll have less good draft picks to build on. It will set us back a couple of years to build around him with less picks and no real cap room. What are we gonna have a 9-7 record but don't have the horses to get over the top? Then, we are one injury away from a set back like Cam. He's similar to Cam in play and after Cam got his 2nd contract he had a great couple of years before the injuries took over. With no good picks or cap money, what O-line will protect him? Don't forget the cap hit from Teddy's contract. Can you then keep Robbie and DJ next year? It's too much risk for the reward IMO. He's great. Would love to have him but IMO the timing is not right.

Best night ever. Walking in a met & briefly talked with Little Big Town and then the game was history. Because of being a DJ, I love to listen to all the songs played at big moments.

It's also the system. Any pick can flourish in the right system with the right coaches. Look at Robbie Anderson. I would rather have more 2nd to 4th round picks and hope a few take off, like Chinn.

Maybe he won't in a lower cap year. Could make a good 2 year stop gap and one less position to think about drafting. Not a bad option if the price is right.

What they will do is a mystery but looking at last year and with the cap being lower, here's some thoughts... They signed a bunch of middle FA last year. Some worked, some didn't. I see that happening again to give them options in the draft. Kerr was a real good signing along with Robbie. Burris was good and picking up Douglas was good. Apple, Weatherly and Whitehead were not and all will be gone. Even the OL pickups of Miller (who would be good to keep another year) and Schofield were decent. I can't see any huge signings but mid-level ones that seem like we over paid but we'll get 2 or 3 good guys from it. I do not believe they will sign a FA QB. They've got TB. They'll resign Moton and find Samuels's replacement in the draft or a cheap/Beasley type signing for 1 year. The draft we'll depend on who falls and if the QB available is who they want. I can see them going anywhere other than QB. I see top 3 rounds being at least an OL and CB pick. All the other picks will depend on who they sign. If the perfect pick doesn't drop to them, they'll pass knowing they at least have a FA for that spot. I could see them trading down and getting a few more 2 or 3rd round picks too. No one guy will change the team to a playoff team but several can. Thoughts: If they don't take a OT in the 1st or 2nd round, we're looking at Daley, Scott and Little as our LT guys.... Our DL is solid with Burns, Matos, Obada, Kerr and Brown. Safety, I don't think they'll cut Boston and with Chinn and the Franklin, I don't think they sign anybody big (they keep Burris if anything) or draft too high unless some gem falls to them.... Defense - LB and CB are our biggest needs to really improve on. Offense; OL (HUGE need), TE (depends on Brady) and an extra WR. We have Bayless, who I could see him or someone being the 2nd WR and Moore moving to slot WR on occasions (using him like Samuel was used). I see a methodical approach to get better over time and not overnight. I think they're thinking even 2022 is a serious playoff team. Tepper said he was willing to take 5 years to become a perennial winner. He's not looking to be great in 2021, just better. The new GM came from that type of mentality too.