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Somebody I know inside the team (with no football ops connection) suggested that could be a good situation for Cam, and I agree. He's the main back up but plays throughout the game (short yardage especially). Why not? If we don't draft a QB in round 1 or sign a top FA, why not ride with Sam and Cam for 2022. Build the O-line (which everybody under the sun agrees we need to do). In 2023 either through FA or draft when the team is "hopefully" an 8 or 9 win team and ready for the next step and move on from Cam and Sam if needed.

On WFNZ they were talking some teams might run at a couple of QB's and there is a couple of top 5 DE's so getting the Alabama LT could be a realistic option. But trading down a few spots and picking up a 2nd round pick sound even better. Getting a 3rd rd comp pick for not re-signing D Jax sounds even better.

We will probably fall between 5th & 7th in the draft. Bears lose 2 and Giants lose 1 and we probably get the 5th IF we lose out. If LT Evan Neal from Alabama (6-7, 350 pounds) is there, it's a NO brainer, take him. If he doesn't fall to us (which he should), we should drop a few slots (to about 10th or 11th), pick up a 2nd round pick and either take: Tyler Linderbaum, C, Iowa (6-3, 290 pounds) Or even drop a little lower (around 12th-13th) and grab Charles Cross, OT, Mississippi State (6-5, 310 pounds) but not if they think we'll miss the chance. LT or C is huge. C Ryan Kalil was the general for so many years. The QBs are not strong enough to use your only pick in the top 100. Build the OL through the draft and FA and hopefully get a decent one in FA to bide your time. But just like we built the defense, build the offense. I've talked to players on defense and they are proud of the defense they have. If I get what Rhule is trying to build (which is real hard to see these days) an incredible defense and a running offense for cold weather playoff football. Not based on superstars but a collective team of good solid players. Unless you have an Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady, you need a solid team to be and stay competitive. I think we believe they should have addressed every position and there's no way to do that. We whiffed on O-line and QB but did pretty good in other areas, but it's all a crap shoot. It takes time and fans are impatient. 2020 doesn't count as a real 1st year because of Covid and all the restrictions with a new NC, OC & DC, and a ton of new players. 2021 is like 1.5 years to me. I believe we'll see a better team next year. Maybe not winning the Super Bowl, but more competitive, or at least I hope. I don't see them signing DJax and getting the 3rd or 4th round comp pick from him. I hope they keep Luvu, Reddick and Gilmore, even Haynes.

Why not at this point.

They will use some of the money that DJax would have got to pay him. They'll also get a 3rd rd pick for the FA loss. Win-win.

They are NOT going to let Rhule go. Also think that most of the coaches are mostly Rhule guys, who guides the team? He's gonna get year 3 and if shows improvement, he'll get another. Its a 7 year contract. He staying 3 to 4 years at a minimum. Tepper original said it may take 5 years to build a consistent winner so I see 4 as a minimum.

Who knows. A really good line would help Cam or Sam if we have them next year.

It's gonna be Darnold next year vs Cam or a draft pick. Build the O-line and see where that takes you. It's hit and miss anyway.

Its a learning curve. New owner and coach to the NFL and now new GM. It takes time to turn a large ship.

Tepper said this could take up to 5 years to build a consistent winner. Rhule's past has been 3. I say year 3 we make the playoffs and battle for a playoff spot every year after. What I see and think: Investment in both lines while searching for a future QB. They don't resign D Jax and get a 3rd rd comp pick. They have a lot of CBs. I do think they resign Gilmore to a 2 year deal (not too much money) so he can stay close to home. With Horn and CJ, Gilmore, Taylor and Bouye for 2022, you're set. They draft and sign O-lineman and another space eater D-lineman in 2022 and again in 2023. Doesn't matter who the QB is and how good your defense is if you can't take time off the clock on offense and score some points. They need a great Center to start with. Maybe Brown gets a shot at G. - without a big DT pushing the middle, having Burns and Reddick fast on the outside does nothing. QB steps up and throws it. I have a feeling they won't resign DJ Moore to an extension and take the comp pick in 2023. His drops and some poor routes might be a turn off. They showed yesterday an INT was part on him for not running the route correctly and drawing the safety towards him. If the announcers see it, the coaches definetly will. Darnold will compete for QB in 2022 as who knows if they sign or draft his competition. I think they will resign Reddick, but after giving more $ to Anderson (or now injuries with CMC), are they gonna shy away? They may take the 3rd rd comp pick for him too. I believe they will turn this into a consistently winning organization, it takes time. We are just impatient as fans.

Didn't the Dolphins win 3 in a row? I don't see them floundering.

Hopefully we'll see him back after the bye and hopefully we're 6-6 with a slim chance.

We weren't and are still not going to win the Super Bowl this year. But, a try at a playoff run will give these young players some great experience for next year and beyond. Yes, we should try BC at LT and some other guys if we don't have a shot at the playoffs later on. Even though we won't do anything in the playoffs, that experience of trying to, and maybe making it will go along way.

Wasn't he rated higher as a guard than a tackle in the draft? So they had to try. Let's hope he improves and solves the LT issue. Again, he just needs to be consistent, not great.

According to Pro Football Focus, Christensen was on the field for 26 pass-blocking snaps and didn’t concede either a sack or a quarterback pressure. This is a significant positive that also saw the first-year-pro emerge as Carolina’s highest-graded player with 81.1. Maybe we get solid work from that position going forward? Doesn't have to be great, just consistent.

The team will do something they have never done EVER during the introductions in team history. Be in the stadium early, you don't want to miss it.

Just in case it didn't play.

Panther pep rally - Living on a prayer.mov We're halfway through the season and we've got nothing to lose. If you're going on Sunday, be loud & proud. If you sell your tickets, try and sell it to a Panther fan.

If he did play well, he would have wanted a large multi year contract or if he did decently, they would have to take a chance and extend him with a longer contract. It was only a 2 year deal and we know after 1 year how he is. Wasn't really about saving money but taking a chance to possibly save us money. Didn't work out.

I see it as the Panthers took a chance and at least they are trying to get better after Watson and Stafford didn't pan out. I don't think Mac Jones would be as good in our system and along with Fields they have a long way to go before they prove to be franchise QBs. We had almost no choice to extend him as if he played really good, or at least looked like he was headed that way, it would have costed even more. At least the Panthers show they are not going to be cheap in trying to get good players. Some work out and some don't, plain and simple. Reddick and Luvu yes, Erving now. I see Darnold on the team next year, even if it's a back up role with Cam, a new draft pick or another signing.

What I said was...... "If we switched Darnold and Prescott like the movie "Trading places", would Darnold play better with Dallas's O-line, RBs and WRs? Absolutely! Not at Dak's level. And Dak would not play at his level with this team and the play calling, but would be better than Sam" I didn't say Sam was the answer or would be great and he's no where close to Daks level. I was just pointing out the team around you does make a difference and right now EVERYBODY is not playing good. Dallas right now is hitting on all cylinders and we are misfiring. Kellen Moore is also calling great games as a the OC. That's all that was said and asked. I even said we have no choice but to let it play out.

If we switched Darnold and Prescott like the movie "Trading places", would Darnold play better with Dallas's O-line, RBs and WRs? Absolutely! Not at Dak's level. And Dak would not play at his level with this team and the play calling, but would be better than Sam. We do have to give Sam a chance. Injuries did change things from the start of the season. O-line has regressed. The drops are like Covid spreading to everyone. And the defensive injuries are taking their toll. I'm sure the playbook is limited as this was his first year and we lost plays from training camp and preseason without CMC. The Panthers tried to find a QB (Stafford). They were in on Watson until it fell apart. When they hired Rhule, Tepper said this might be a 3 to 5 years building process. And I don't fault the team for trying this, trading for that person or the constant changes as they're trying to see what works. If everybody could make every move perfectly work out, then every team would be champions. Most moves don't work out. Part is timing. You need the right players playing at their top performance level at the same time and staying healthily - see 2015 Panthers. Unless some great deal falls in their lap, I see them rolling with Darnold next year while either developing a newly drafted QB or just building around him. As great as Mahomes is, the team is still losing because he doesn't have the players around him playing well. Anyway, we can't do anything right now and either can the Panthers so let's wait and see.

It's a domino effect. He loses CMC but steps up to finish the Texans game. Then the O-line starts to fade in the 2nd half of the Cowboys game and he never got on track. When there's pressure, he gets happy feet. Happy feet are not set when you throw so a lot of his passes are off target or just too hard as he just wants to get the ball out. Then the WRs are dropping some coachable balls. Then Joe Brady gets scared to call certain plays because the line won't hold up so everybody knows where gonna throw quick. Without CMC as his blanket, defenses are taking away his first read knowing he won't have time to really get to the second option without dancing around under pressure. Darnold looks bad but he has the tools, just needs the time. That 96 yards drive at the end of the Vikings game was impressive. He can do it. I believe any QB can be successful with time to throw, especially with our fast receivers, they should be able to get open. O-line is a priority next year and then we'll see. Darnold is the same situation as when with the Jets as we currently are as bad on offense (at least playing that way) as the Jets were, except we have a better defense.

Didn't watch the game.

I didn't say they were a few players away. Too many new and young players in a new system expected to win right a way? When ever you start over, you have to give it time. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Most times it's injuries that change the fortunes of a team. If Cam never hurt his shoulder, I wonder where we would have been the last few years. Major changes in 2 years during Covid protocols. Everybody wants to win and say they follow a winner. Hopefully we'll get out turn in the near future.